According to a source..... Landry Fields MAY be involved in a trade and switch of draft picks. The source did not reveal whom was involved but it looks like the end of Landry in a Knick Uniform. However, the source stated that the once prized Rookie was expendable due to the Knick's dire need for a Center and PG. Sorry all you Fields fans but it makes sense and he is expendable if you want to win NOW. The speculation is whom we are getting in return. "It is a Veteran" the source said, but would not say if it was a PG or Center. However, it will also bring an end to the "Andy & Landry show." The Source did emphatically State that Andrew Bynum was not involved in this upcoming Scenario. Good Luck Landry...if this does happen, we hardly knew you and you won't get the chance to disappear in another round of the playoffs wearing a knick Jersey! "Amare is on the 3/4 meter of his prime" is the main reason the knicks can't wait 3-4 years for Landry to develop, the source stated. Don't shoot the messenger!
NBA proposed delayed salary cap?By Mark J. MillerThe NBA team owners and NBA Players Association don't appear to be on a good path with negotiations for a new collective bargaining agreement. The players said "no way" to a proposal from owners last week and ESPN has some info on why that might be.The site's sources tell it that owners wanted "the implementation of a hard salary cap at a figure lower than the league's current cap, but not until the 2013-14 season."The current salary cap is $58 million per team and then "a dollar-for-dollar luxury tax imposed for every dollar teams spend over the tax threshold of $70.3 million," ESPN reports.Looks like Players Association Executive Director Billy Hunter and NBA Commissioner David Stern have a long summer ahead of them.Let the rumors come to you. Follow Scoop du Jour on Twitter or Facebook.Source: ESPN
Hmmmmm.........well if it's not till 2013 and 14, then Knicks would have the cap space for one of either Howard, Deron williams or Chris paul, interesting.
Updated: May 11, 2011 08:31 PM By ALAN HAHNMultiple Page ViewLandry Fields was selected 39th overall last year and wasn't even in the NBA 's extensive draft guide. But the 6-7 swingman from Stanford became one of the biggest surprises of the Knicks' season, and Wednesday he was named first-team NBA All-Rookie.But there is some debate as to whether he fits as the team attempts to become a championship contender. At the very least, Fields may lose his starting spot at shooting guard, with pending free agents such as J.R. Smith , Rasual Butler and Anthony Parker potentially eyeing a move to join Carmelo Anthony and Amar'e Stoudemire in New York.A relatively unknown prospect, Fields had a surprising immediate impact with the Knicks, who entered training camp with questions about the shooting guard position. But Fields, a versatile, high-IQ player who can grab rebounds and finish on the break, became the answer when the regular season began. He averaged 10.1 points and 7.1 rebounds and shot 51 percent from the field in the first 54 games (before the All-Star break).His numbers, however, dramatically dipped (9.1, 4.8 and 45.3 percent) in the final 28 games after the trade for Anthony. The slower pace and the need to play more of a perimeter game had a negative effect on Fields' performance.And in the playoffs, Fields struggled mightily against the Celtics' Ray Allen . Fields made only 3 of 15 shots from the field and totaled five rebounds in Boston 's four-game sweep. During the regular season, Fields averaged 9.7 points and 6.4 rebounds and appeared in all 82 games (81 starts).Fields was joined by Rookie of the Year Blake Griffin (Clippers), John Wall (Wizards), Gary Neal (Spurs) and DeMarcus Cousins (Kings). The second team included Greg Monroe (Pistons), Wes Johnson (Timberwolves), Eric Bledsoe (Clippers), Derrick Favors ( Nets /Jazz) and Paul George (Pacers).
107 COMMENTS WOW! Hope this "source" has us getting someone back that will made an impact THIS year. Will miss Fields, as I do Will, Ray , Gallo and Moz,but this is a business........LGK!!!
Welcome Irish2u2, we can always use another grey head to shed the light of experience on the the hotblooded youngsters here.As to the league becoming less physical it is probably just business evolution.The game began in a violent America with the players being called "cagers". The cage was probably to separate the violence outside the fence from the violence inside.The guys today are bigger, faster and most important,paid more money than those 30 years ago so owners want their investment protected.There is also the issue of producing a faster paced more visually exciting product (D'Antoni ball) to be hustled to a vastly less knowledgeable worldwide audience, a few billion Asians don't play D!So unless Stern decides there is more money in a WWF/S/Hockey approach, ie Bynum and Odum get 10 fouls each vs. D.Howard (I might pay to watch that!) the game will continue to soften professionally.Luckily the schoolyard is still the schoolyard and we are both old enough to have enjoyed Willis and Dave take on Wes and Gus.
I understand your comparo between Lee and Fields, but bottom line, Fields is a much better athlete with a far higher ceiling.Lee worked hard on his offensive game, not on his greatest weakness, defensive footspeed and the defensivie brain game.I like Lee, but I don't understand anyone giving him an 80 million contract.Golden State is not going anywhere with there shootem up offense, and neither are we!He's a decent tough player, but not a difference maker.Didn't keep Keith Smart employed.God bless Dave, he has with 80 mil, but owners like that need to be protected from themselves.Field's jumper, his game, needs a little work, but mostly a coach who has confidence in him and teaches him the little things while he plays.Fields would be a great Laker, C, Spur, Rocket, etc. He needs to play with guys who know what they're doing and that's not our M.O. D'Antoni is on his way out, only Walsh's loyalty and Dolan's cheapness will buy him another season, maybe.Watch for D'Antoni to bail this season if the opportunity comes up.He knows the bus is warming up and Isiah is probably at the wheel.Walsh certainly deserves to stay and is negotiating a new 2 year contract.Some who know Dolan would say that was the kiss of death right there.Walsh is probably being kept on with hopes of a 2012 Magic act.Bottom line he is an older man with some infirmities and could be easily forced out.Hope not.
"The Post has reported exclusively that Walsh is closing in on a contract extension, possibly two years. Walsh, who has gotten assurances Isiah Thomas will never be rehired, has been amidst talks with Dolan for two weeks.
"I think everything is good," one person familiar with the situation said.
Be afraid, very afraid.
Bottom line, gird your loins for another D'Antoni throwaway year.The players, Zebo, Craw, etc. don't matter, only the Steve Nash of old, not today, could have helped this offense, maybe a JKidd or Help me Rondo, the kid is a great uptempo player.His concept is based on an MVP making decisions at the point, otherwise his offense has no point, touche!I don't believe No'D has the chops to blend Melo and Stud.A lot will depend on Billups and he's showing some cracks, but still they are the only game in town right now.Peace will certainly have some wonderful minutes to crow about.Good for him.But there are 48 minutes to a game and you got to play both ways for the full 48, 82 games nd hopefully playoffs.Ask the C's who were a few minutes short last night.They're done now, and with D'Ant so are we.LGK
4) Is it more enjoyable to watch a young team grow over a few
years(Memphis, & Thunder) or to acquire a group of All-stars that are not as hungry,
but will get to the playoffs?
5) Will the country appreciate the Memphis, OK-City series?
For all these MSMs and fannies crying for the preservation of Chief Ironside, remember that we're in The Transformation Age. Ask Gary Williams and Hosni. If you want to look across the landscape, go to Tallahassee, Yemen and Syria. The fact of the matter is that this is the time when teams should look to rest old ideas and older figure heads unless they accept to only be that--figure heads for more culturally competent and generationally consistant talent evaluators. What will Walsh do this summer and the whole of next year that he could/did not do in IN and NY? How did he do with that major talent recruitment a la LBJ that was not accomplished. And the nerve to pout when the owner and his allies configured the deal setting up the franchise (with marketable products) for the next 10 years.
DOLANITe, take a page from Barry's Book and keep up the Transformation agenda. Renew and revive as the opportunity now presents itself. Unlike what Barry stumbled onto, there will be no leadership vacuum at Mecca because the succession plan IT set up should keep the balls bouncing. Heard IT through the grapevines, the next pick will be a dandy if Ironside is out of sight and out of the New York State of Mind come what May.
H20 ZEN DOC IT
Fields is the same player who wowed most Knick fans the first half of the season. His struggles in the playoffs can be attributed to hitting the rookie wall, a new system, facing a good and veteran team that wasn't going to allow a rookie to make an impact and some serious confidence issues.
I see a lot of David Lee in Landry Fields. They both are hustle players. They are both smart. They both are hard workers. Lee saw the holes in his game and he worked hard to patch them up so I see Fields doing the same. He needs to re-work his jumper mechanics to get his feet right, his shoulders squared to the basket and to get a quicker release. I suggest 1000 shots and watching 4 hours of Ray Allen video every day of the off season. ; ) Fields needs to develop a pull up jumper. Once he has confidence in his shot and his ability to get it off he has to shoot the ball. ; ) I doubt anybody on the Knicks passed up as many shots last season as Landry Fields and that makes it a lot easier on the defenses of the NBA to stop the Knicks.
Some good points were made about the offense and specifically Stoudemire and Anthony. In their defense we had some big holes on the Knicks after the trade and they didn't get a lot of practice time to work out a new system. To their credit I saw both Amar'e and Melo sharing the ball more especially with each other. What we saw at the end of the season and in the playoffs was a patchwork basketball team. Both Amar'e and Melo tried to carry the Knicks but to win in the NBA you need lots of help and they just didn't have it.
If Fields is not traded I expect a different player this season. His intelligence and work ethic will yield results. If Fields is traded it's only because he is an asset on a team with needs and short on assets especially players as smart and cheap with huge upside like Fields.
One more observation. While basketball is mostly the same as it was in the 70's there are some huge differences aside from athleticism. David Stern has watered down the league so you can barely touch an opponent without it being a foul. As an old timer I can tell you Dave DeBusschere and the Bullets Gus Johnson would have fouled out in 5 minutes if they played today. When Earl "The Pearl" Monroe was a Bullet and having his epic battles with Walt Frazier they would have lasted maybe a quarter before disqualifying.
Willis Reed and Wes Unseld might as well have stayed in the locker room if they played today. ; )
Anyone can be traded, that is the history of the NBA.Sentimentaiity to the side guys get old and probably should be traded as they get older but still have trade value, see LBird and young guys often get traded before they mature and get a real shot see Jermaine O'Neill.But the fact that Fields was so productive as a rookie was not an accident.He can play this game because he thinks the game, not only feels it.Saying Hoops is not the same game it was in the 70s is patently ridiculous, is baseball the same game?Is the height of the mound the same, the equipment, the illegal hormones?Bottom line is the athletes are a little better, they last a little longer but the mental part of the game in general, not in every player's case, is not as well developed.That is probably because money mad media, ie ESPN type media has pushed the game towards the spectacular rather than an appreciation for the finer points of any game.I find it amusing that some people consider Fields a failure and are ready to trade him for a fulltime pro like Felton, a guy who may have had his best year ever as an NBA starter. That after starting in Charlotte for a few plus the Musky Russkie as a throw in.And you know what?I'm Denver I make that trade because Fields HAS ALREADY SHOWN HOW GOOD HE CAN BE AND CAN ONLY GET BETTER.His playoff falloff has only once again shown what a disaster D'Antoni is at blending two stars into a flowing offense where Fields can play the game the right way.There was a reason D'Ant didn't want to make that trade.Melo and Amare are not complimentary pieces for a few basic reasons not to be mentioned here, but obviously everyone can't have the ball unless they share it.Fields is just the little kid at the table upset because the big guys just snatched all the dinner rolls.Upset kids don't play well.They don't understand family problems.But little kids grow up.If you gave the Knix a basketball IQ test you might be very surprised at the results.Fields played at an all star level in a motion offense.Once the ball stopped moving and his lacking pro one on one game was revealed (That's what the dumbassed scouts saw).I hope he never develops one.The only thing I'm seeing is a coach who broke a kid's confidence by asking him to cover the problems created by the coach's inability to get his stars to do anything but hoist up shots in a selfish offense that was doomed to fail.30 points +40 points is still only 70.Where does the other 30 you need to win come from, the power of prayer?Fields is not the problem, he is part of a great solution.Your problem is getting Amare and Melo to share the ball like the C's Big Three, Miami's Big Two, or Magic's Showtime team, every Celtic team that won a chip, or , gasp, those ancient Knicks of the 70's.The key word is share, not, "Face".Come to think of it Dick Barnett use to say "Fall Back Baby" when he applied the facial on his J in the olden days.But he didn't win any gold until he came to NY a la Earl the Magnificent Pearl, still the unmatched soul of the game, and shared the damned ball.Oh yeah, both those guys also played tough D just like a guy named Fields.Finally, if Fields was traded in a package for the kid from NO that's understandable, even for an Onguadala, tough name, you have to give to get, but a Jerome James wanabee like Dalembert?Fycke NO!!!!You can have all my Walt Frazier memorabilia, sob, sob.Nah, you can't have that, but you can have all my Knick tshirts, I won't be using them.LGK fellas with a smidgen of CS (Common Sense)
"The Plan" that is attributed to Walsh was hatched on the DolanITe reruitment trip to LA. The Zen master may be a wild card in "The Plan". The Black Mamba was the perceived anchor of the time but his hunches were right because the firtations with the NYK got him Pau and 2 rings. Now that the talent is here, Phil may have a different stance about coming back to Mecca. Either way LA is about to go KAbooom much to the chagrin of Derek Fisher and an aging (medicated) RonRon who clearly lost his edge.
For most Bloggas calling for this big or that point, consider the most significant decision the NYK must make--who will call the signals and the end game play? Regardless of the big man in the middle, 'Amphony's preference is to use 6'8" small forwards or 6'9" power forwards in the center position (unless of course the 7-footer can shoot treys). The coach will also be required to develop a bona fide rotation so that depth is built up during the season for late season/injury concerns. Why did Walsh wate the pick with Rautins? What value did he bring back? What plane ride is he balancing? Who's surrogate was he? They can ill afford to snooze with the 17th. Bloggas should just cheer and watch and leave the GM thing to the pros. Makes for multiple hits though and that's good for the Admin and Bloguin.
H20 ZEN DOC IT
We have a higher pick then Por does right? I am guessing....maybe Billups, Fields, Turiaf and our pick for Andre Miller, Marcus Camby, Rudy Fernandez and their pick? The trade does work cap wise and our cap situation for 2012 would not change either.
Z-Bo is showing that a strong coach can make him play at the top of his game. In addition if he has a big man that will rebound and bang, he's a mofo,(now Dallas length will give him and Gasol big-time problems).
Before our eyes we are watching Kobe decline as the top dog in the NBA. Age & wear and tear(straight from high school) is catching up. Mr. Triangle is leaving at the right time.
@Peaceman, until the order of the draft and players deciding who stays and who goes, a proposed trade at this point matches your Artest promise....empty.
BTW-- I am a long time James Brown & JB fan, so any rip-offs of Fred Wesley saying that he's from LA(that'sLower Alabama), is just that a ripoff. You're like the hip-hop guys that were stealing Jame's riffs. Peace at least give Mr. Brown his credit.
Peace & Blessings
Zbo and Crawford or Amar'e, Melo and Billups?
Maybe Walsh kind of knows what he is doing. ; )
What you going to be? What you going to be brother? ZeBo the Hero!
<iframe width="350" height="292" src="/http://www.youtube.com/embed/5HtRcRXs_ro" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Look at Portland who has been very friendly ..trade wise with the Knicks! You don't have to be a Rhodes Scholar to figure out WHAT is going on!
The former KNICK that Walsh traded away for ZERO leads the Grizz over the OKC dream team to a victory! ZEBO is the truth!
What a great and fun post. Gird your loins? I think I can still do that and so I will. ; )
You talk about the faster more uptempo game of the New Millennium but did you know the Championship Knicks of 1970 averaged 115 points a game? And finished 9th out of 14 teams in scoring? And allowed 106 points a game which was first in the league?
Perspective sure can be strange. ; )
I don't want to go back to the Broadway Bully days of Pat Riley and the 90's but today's game has gone completely in the opposite direction of those "cager" days and it's not good. It's not good that you can think evil thoughts of a ref and get a technical "respect the refs" foul. It's not good that players flop all over the court and scream foul when they barely get touched. It's not good that the refs think they are the reason we watch the game and they are so empowered by David Stern.
I live in Gainesville, Florida so I admit to being biased about David Lee but I am here to tell you he is a very athletic fellow. He won the Micky D's Dunk Contest as a high school senior beating out James "Flight" White for the title. In fact he and Fields are very similar athletically because while both can jump neither is that super explosive Shannon Brown/Tyrus Thomas type jumper who not only gets higher faster but is also able to quickly get airborne again. In fact it's one of the great mysteries of basketball to me why Lee is such a poor man and help defender because he is athletic. Part of the problem is footwork. Part of the problem is posture in that much like Stoudemire Lee is way too upright and is easily beat off the dribble with a decent first step. As much as I like Lee I agree with you he is not worth 80 million dollars even though he brings a ton of intangibles to the table. I subscribe to NBA League Pass and I am here to tell you David hasn't gotten any better on defense playing for the Warriors. ; )
Back to Fields. The transition from rookie to second year player is where the rubber meets the road and this is why I have so much confidence in Fields. That second year either a player makes a significant improvement or not but most of that depends on the player's work ethic. Fields has no issues in that regard. I'm no fan of D' Antoni (more on him later) but I do believe the offense will be more cohesive, roles better defined and much more effective. Fields needs to work on the things I outlined originally, build up his confidence and keep hustling and playing smart. He already seems to realize he needs to mix up his game between perimeter shooting and driving to the basket and when the skills catch up with the basketball smarts he will be a very good NBA player.
James Dolan is a lot of things, most of them bad, but he is not cheap. Look at his league leading payroll for 5 years or so. Look at how many players he paid not to play and coaches he paid not to coach. ; )
It's rare I can touch on the four things that annoy me most about basketball/Knicks in one post but after having covered the new "style" of non-contact play, David Stern and James Dolan we now move to Mike D'Antoni. ; )
I hated this hire. I have always had suspicions OUR style of basketball and Mike D'Antoni were like oil and water or worse…nitro and glycerine. ; ) D'Antoni inherited a bad team in the middle of a massive tear down so he gets a pass for the last 3 years. He will likely use any work stoppage this summer and the subsequent shortening of training camp and delay of the season as yet another excuse if the Knicks don't play well but because we finished above .500 and made the playoffs while he basically had two new teams (the one he had at the start of the year and the post Melo team he ended up with after the trade) he's going to get every opportunity to succeed.
Sadly, I don't think MDA can succeed with the Knicks and by succeed I mean be a real championship contending team. I think if we can address some core issues in the post and at PG we will win more games. Maybe a lot more games. I know MDA pays lip service to defense but as we all know defense is a mindset and to get to that point it has to be ingrained into players to live and breathe defense. They have to be held accountable for their defensive lapses. They have to be taught to "see the ball, see the man". I can't see D'Antoni being that kind of coach. I do think he will mesh Amar'e and Melo better. I think the offense will be fine. D'Antoni has earned his reputation as an offensive genius. Just ask Kobe Bryant or LeBron James.
I even think we will be better defensively but the real issue is Mike wants to outscore everybody. He doesn't get super upset at defensive mistakes as much as offensive miscues. He figures he will get more shots per game and with his kind of team he will wear down opponents. It's not a bad philosophy if the Knicks were a college team but in the pros and especially at playoff time you have to stop the other team. D'Antoni is stubborn so instead of devising a better way to defend the Celtics (for example) he will spend all his time trying to fix the offense so it can score more. Sadly Mike hasn't realized that while offenses have bad days and jump shooters have days were their shots are on vacation the defense never rests. A good defense doesn't have as many bad days. A good defense can win games even when the offense struggles.
I like Donnie Walsh especially if Dolan just lets him run the team. I think we can shore up our size, defensive, depth and scheme issues. I'm praying the owners and players can quickly resolve their issues and hammer out a new CBA with a minimum of muss and fuss. I do have one overriding hope/wish/prayer for this summer.
I hope/wish/pray that the Lakers try and hire Mike D'Antoni to replace Phil Jackson. ; )
@irish2u2 I knew I read an old timer. Welcome to the Fanatics!
@Tman Welcome back Mr. T!
Yeah, maybe some here want the barometer of Knicks ball movement gone so they don't have to deal with questions about a team where shots get stuck in Melo or STAT's sticky fingers. I'll drink to all you've said. I'm tired of the hype headed running with the latest trend. Ball movement, player movement, smart offense, and defensive will and orchestration not just some marketing names to jack up 30-40 shots a game.
@thebossandbenji76 Yes, the end game, if the Cap space saved makes CPR, D Will or Howard a feasible option, is to patch up some areas while preserving the cap for the 2012 off season. But then again if the labor battle results in a CBA that makes a 2012 star nearly impossible to obtain then solidifying the core and depth around STAT and Melo should become the primary objective for the Knicks.
Hmmm. I don't think the issue was about keeping ZBo and Crawford. It was whether we could have done a much better job extracting value from them to build a better team over the past three years. Did we need to totally dump two years to get to Amar'e and Melo? Could we have been one and out in the playoffs two years ago and gotten better value for our "stars?" Wasn't Walsh's goal LeBron and didn't LeBron make it clear that he would only go where he had a chance to win? Fall back positions are nice, but Isola claims Amare-Melo-Billups is Isiah's handy work. If it is, does that mean Isiah Knows what he's doing? Or is this all good just because Walsh got the credit.? @irish2u2
@Lives Content My brother.
That was LBE quick. @Orange_and_Blue
Yes. Just as the end game miscues are part of the more intense assessment of the D'Antoni Knicks tenure, Walsh's trading away of a relentless power forward like Zebo and a very good scoring guard Jamal Crawford is a condemnation of Walsh's tenure. @Peaceman
Hahn claims he may not because he doesn't like members of the NY press. Isola claims he might not because Isiah is looming large and he is tired of being his front man. LOL. Who is more likely to chase Walsh away, Isola or Isiah. @Peaceman
Both Walsh and D'Antoni @Peaceman
@Lives AMEN.. we know the TRUTH!
Irish the one thing that makes me leary of Walsh is if he is indeed the one behind D'Antoni enabling all his excuses. I see Walsh as an old school GM, D'Anonti as age preacher of a one dimensional style that has outlived its usefulness at the Garden. D'Opey was ok to sell seats with his offense till the team had more at stake due to the windows on the primes of STAT and Melo. That time has come. I'd like to see D'Antoni go. But he won't he'll get his last chance. @irish2u2
Lakers ownership is smarter than the Knicks. They won't even look at D'Antoni.
Otherwise I agree with your take on Mikey. He has had every excuse in the world. If the Defense is helped by a coordinator we can evaluate what else observers see as weaknesses in D'Antoni's coaching.@irish2u2
Welcome home Irish.A lot of what you so eloquently laid out is like preaching to the choir.You are a very welcome addition.Unfortunately, all we have left is the draft, that brings a little life to the site, but the fellas here are knowlegible and vociferous, you'll love it .I sense a Knick man to the core.I sense a few disturbences in the Force but then who wants to spend there time talking to a mirror reflection.I like Lee, I like Mike D as a human being, but as a Coach I'd like to kick him in a black hole, like Sacramento or Modena.Again Welcome to the home of the diehards.If you can't take some heat this is not the place for you.If you can hang you found a home.Are you a native Nyer transplanted or a Floridian, remember them in the ABA?If you do you are my contemporary.Peace and Love.T @irish2u2
Miller, Rudy Fernandez, Melo, Amare and Camby...pretty good starting 5 for 1 year, they draft say the kid Freed from Morehead state, they bring the Jerome Jordan kid over here...maybe they use their MLE or something on Michael Redd, a 1 yr signing...not a horrible team, maybe after this coming yr that Chris Paul toast at Melo's wedding last summer comes true, maybe Camby re-signs for less, knowing what's here..., who knows... starting to believe we would have more of a shot at Paul then Howard after seeing the Lakers get swept, starting to think Bynum and something else gets used to get Dwight Howard to LA. Don't know
@Lives Fair enough and you bring up some good issues.
Could we have done better trading Randolph and Crawford? Maybe but the fact of the matter is that Isiah traded for Zach and when he came to the Knicks he was riding the rep as a key member of the Portland JailBlazers. He had attitude issues, he got in trouble, he had bad knees and a casual attitude towards the game and his conditioning. Most of the league was torn equally between their shock the Blazers actually foound a trading partner for ZBo and the fact the Knicks made the trade.
ZBo is a talented young man and he surprised me with his attitude with the Knicks but teams weren't lining up to get him with his rep, his knees and that huge contract. Once we had a taker Walsh pulled the trigger. He might have done better but quite possibly he might have not been able to trade Randolph. The fact Zach is playing better now is a testament to the coaching he has in Memphis and maybe being in a contract year. As a Knick he was an effective scorer/rebounder and a very poor defender and passer.
Trading Crawford was also a good idea. I like Jamal but I hate his career 41% FG percentage and his penchant for bad shots. Trading him and his contract was smart.
Walsh did what he had to in order to clear out enough cap room to compete for free agent stars in the Summer of LeBron which brings up another salient point.
If you don't believe James and Wade had this whole Miami thing cooked up well before last summer I have a bridge in the Everglades I'd like to sell you. ; )
The Knicks could have signed James, Wade and Bosh (with some luck and a lot of wrangling) but they never stood a chance. James wasn't bringing his talents to Broadway.
So the Knicks got Stoudemire and they traded for Anthony and Billups. We have a season to build up a bench, answer our size and inside rebounding/defensive issues and then comes the Summer of Chris Paul. This time we have the inside track and Paul is one of the very few NBA superstars who will take less to play with the Knicks and Amar'e and Melo.
If Walsh can put together an effective bench, get some more size on this team and close off the toll free road to our basket I like our chances a lot with a Stat/Melo/Paul Trinity.
Of course the wild card in all of this is D'Antoni but that is a separate discussion. ; )
I strongly suspect Dolan was behind the hiring of Mike D'Antoni. As you state Walsh is Old School and Mike is not an old school coach. I see this as an arranged marriage and divorce is tricky because The Pope (Dolan) is not willing to grant an annulment which is another public admission of his own general incompetence as a NBA owner.
I don't have much of a problem with this situation. D'Antoni is in the last year of his contract. 2011-12 is a year of continued building for the Knicks addressing issues with size, defense, rebounding and quality depth while at the same time preparing for the summer of 2012 and hopefully signing Chris Paul. I like our chances with Paul more and more every day especially given the success of the Heat. Chris Paul is looking at what James, Wade, Bosh & Co. are doing and he knows if the Knicks can shore up that center position he would be the catalyst to a Knicks team that can beat the Heat.
Also in our favor is the character of Chris Paul himself. There will be no "Decision" media circus from him and he is the type to take less money to realize his dream of an NBA title. Chris Paul is a winner with competitive fires in the Kevin Garnett mode.
Walsh will have "his" team and my bet is he will have "his" coach to guide them.
BTW, never underestimate the goofiness of pro basketball owners/management. The Lakers could go after D'Antoni. He is popular with players and for a franchise still in love with "Showtime" Mike is an attractive option. The Lakers already play decent defense so all they need is another PG and hopefully a little luck with injuries and they are back in the thick of the race. D'Antoni's style will keep Jack Nicholson, Dyan Cannon and the rest of the wacky LaLa faithful in their seats.
In 77 the Nets signed Bubbles who had been cut by Golden State ahtird of the way into the season, he was actually a point a minute guy, 20 per with some monster games, who made the season bearable.His D was the problem.He couldn't defend anyone, but had a snappy answer for his critiques."People are starting to ask me about my defense. It's O.K. What would you say about the defense of the guys guarding me?".His biggest problem was he defend vs, the bottle.Despite being a scoring machine he was cut and couldn't get a job in the pros ever again.Bubbles was fun to watch though.@irish2u2
@Tman I vaguely remember Bubbles so I went and looked him up. He never played in the ABA and he had a brief career in the NBA but he seems to qualify as a "character". In researching him I read a funny story that when Illinois State teammate Doug Collins was having a career best 57 point night backcourt mate Bubble actually stole the ball from him to get a shot. ; ) The next year he broke Collins single game scoring record with 58 points. He's on YouTube playing H-O-R-S-E with Pistol Pete. Epic.
@irish2u2 Now if you remember Bubbles Hawkins...
I can take the heat. AOL was like the Wild West where if you weren't quick (with a flaming retort) you were dead. I have dozens of keyboards I had to discard over the years because they had too many notches in them. ; ) Generally they were Bulls, Laker and Celtic fans so I don't feel too guilty because I made a few of them cry. ; )
I can take the heat and I don't get out of the kitchen. I remodel it. ; )
So much for the cyber tough talk. ; ) I have been a Knick fan almost 47 years now. I am from the Jersey Shore, the real Jersey Shore, and I have lived in Florida for over 20 years.
There are no disturbances in my force. So far. ; ) I do like vociferous (go figure, right? ; ) and I certainly like and respect knowledgeable fans especially Knick fans.
BTW, I do remeber the old Miami Floridians and their bikini clad ball girls. I remember Connie Hawkins, Roger Brown, George Gervin, Artis Gilmore, David Thompson, Dr. J, Rick Barry, Mel Daniels, and of course some of the real characters like John Brisker , Wendell Ladner and Marvin Barnes. I even went to a few games in Nassau and Teaneck.
I loved the old ABA.
@irish2u2 Yes we agree on the coach currently with the Knicks being the wrong coach. I think having let Zach and Crawford a run for one season and playoff showing was for the purpose of raising max valuable for the two in attempting to secure higher return on the two. You are right that given the structure of the rules governing the salary cap that money screams plenty in trades, especially when a star free agent period opens up or a new salary structure may require teams to work more shrewdly and efficiently going forward.
There are two separate issues. One is Walsh trading Randolph which I am firmly behind. The other is Mike D'Antoni and I'm pretty skeptical about him as the Knicks coach.
In the new NBA paradigm money doesn't speak. It shouts and that is why we see trades we never would have seen back in the day when it was strictly a talent for talent or need for need situation. Randolph was a tough guy to trade when Walsh traded him because of his past troubles with the Blazers and mostly for his big contract. It's an accurate point that a "re-tooled" Knicks team might have made the playoffs with ZBo and Crawford but if you are looking for a consistent one and done playoff team then you'd be happy. I don't want that kind of Knicks team.
Of course we are ignoring the 800lb gorilla in the room. Isiah Thomas and Eddy Curry. Thomas put the Knicks in a situation where to build a real title contender we as fans had to weather some awful basketball and some difficult decisions by Walsh. I'd much rather have kept David Lee than traded him but that decision was made with the future of the Knicks in mind. Lee is a good player, a great teammate and he prospers in the D'Antoni system. He's also a worse defender than either ZBo or Amar'e and at 10 million per annum (and up) the Knicks have better options. If the Knicks weren't stuck with Curry's contract they would be a very different team today. Walsh could have really started the rebuilding process a couple of years sooner and maybe a lot of things would have turned out far different. IMHO Walsh played the cards he inherited as well as any NBA exec could have in similar circumstances. His biggest mistake, and Dolan might have had a hand in this, is hiring D'Antoni to coach the Knicks.
Mike D'Antoni is a personality cult type coach. He has "his" guys and he sticks with them and being as stubborn as he is he sticks with them even when he might have better options. The "other" Randolph, Anthony, never got off D'Antoni's bench. In his brief time with Minnesota he averaged almost 12 points a game, 5 rebounds and shot 50%. Instead of using AR Mike D'Antoni opts for Jared Jefferies. Jefferies was a veteran (MDA is not a real fan of playing younger guys) and even with his limitations he was a D'Antoni guy. Anthony Randolph was not.
Zach Randolph and Jamal Crawford are also not D'Antoni guys. Zach especially wasn't a prototype "seven seconds or less" type player. Crawford's shot selection would have made D'Antoni nuts. Larry Drew has gotten better production out of Crawford because he realized something most Knick fans knew for years. Crawford is not a great starting SG option but he is a great 6th man type player. Drew follows the simple formula of playing Jamal a lot when he is hot and sitting him when he is not.
Lionel Hollins is a very no-nonsense, old school type coach. I think his kind of "tough love" approach and the simple economic fact that this was a contract year brought out the best in Zach Randolph.
Substitute Larry Drew or Lionel Hollins for Mike D'antoni and maybe we get better out of Crawford and ZBo but is that a championship nucleus?
Walsh has the right idea. He simply might have the wrong coach. ; )
"The fact Zach is playing better now is a testament to the coaching he has in Memphis and maybe being in a contract year."
What does that say about Z-Bo's short tenure under D'Antoni. He was productive with Mike's Knicks. Then the cord got pulled prematurely. Also if the Knicks were looking to increas Zach's value for a trade or otherwise, Zach happily obliged that opportunity once the petulence of Curry was replaced by David Lee's work ethic.
Lives point is well maid, if Z-Bo and J Craw responded to better coaching in D'Antoni why couldn't they have gotten one test run to make the playoffs. had they done so as important players to that playoff run, Knicks likely get a late 1st rounder in return. The Knicks then have the cupboard of more draft assets to swing a Melo deal w/o having to gut the on court team to do so.
I stand with Lives on that point. True D'ANtoni brough offensive structure to Isaiah's Knicks but he has brought little structure or improvement defensively.