I'm carrying water for my man Cooley on this one. He says:
JMATTHICKS, tried to outline for the members of this Illustrious Thread, that Depth, Chemistry, and Experience are the key factors to securing the Proverbial Chip... Well that perspective may fly while you drinking Margaritas, and eat chips and Salsa, and some Quac on the Riverwalk, but here on the Elite East Coast, it is possible and should be considered. TDuncan is quite delicate these days with his Ballerina Ankles, and darn shucks, would you know it, TonyP, is sidelined with an injury for two to four weeks... Who would of Thunk it.....
I think TMAN'S question is the Key, "Is this a Dave DeB moment?" Those of us around long enough or Long in the Tooth some Ole Dawgs might say, remember the transformation of those Knick Championship teams and D was the Mantra along precise BBALL Execution on the Offensive End. And, I will admit it took With the addition of JJEFF and Melo's lead (Cause this is his Team Now, until AStuddy, learns to play D more consistently and rebound more ferociously), CPULL-UPS D and Savy, along with resurgence BWALKER on D and the glass, and LFIELDS and TD I Can't Pass for Shyte, “RBalk @ A Haircut Balkman” could be the defensive nucleus we've been looking for... And, if this is De ja Vu, then we got a shot, cause everybody is in transition, after the NBA'S version of Amazon.com Player Buy-Out Sales.... Nothing like discussions of a CBA to initiate A Jamestown Style Gladiator Sell -Off...
Oh they have a shot Young Master JMATTHICKS... Oh yessssir they do... And, for the sake of Shakey Flakey KNICK FANATICISM, If Peaceman is right and you add another offensive piece to the puzzle Rich Christian Hamilton from the Detroit Mutiny’s, we could be playing BBALL in June and I'll be sure to buy you another Drink, while I am passing by on the Riverwalk in the Boat chillin watching games on my IPAD, with a Lil Mami/Chica, on the side trying to get at my Pipe, cause it will sure need some cleaning during those Hot June Days...
JMATTHICKS, nice try, appreciate your perspective, and respect your opinion, but we will make a believer out of you yet Young Buck, or have one of My Texas Vixens introduce you to the NEW York Highball over at the Marriott Riverwalk.... I got Skillz youngin... And, I know the Texas Two - Step like those Cowboys at Billy Bob’s in FW.... I shot the Sheriff & the Mofo Deputy...
Just Blougin JMATTHICKS... Or am I.....
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TMan if you take a closer look at that showtime team you will realize that you are overrating their defensive pedigree(except Kareem). Like Melo, Majic played in a zone for Jud Heathcoat, never man to man. Dean Smith was considered an offensive innovator(4-corners, secondary break,sorry 'Lives') and the big knock was his teams were too finesse and not defense oriented, therefore Worthy.. Norm Nixon admitted that D was not his strong-point. The team won because of execution on offense, minimal turnovesr, and a high-basketball IQ(Hahn). The one-on-one (Isolation) tends to be a detriment in the playoffs unless you have a 7-fter, (Shaq or Duncan), or a Jordan or Kobe. At some point ball movement will become an issue to get over a hurdle and this is where Coach Billups and D'Antoni will have to create schemes. Also ball movement will get Landry Fields productive again. Isolation holds him back
Also onesuttle but important advantage of having a superstars(liberal use) on your team. When a star player is guarded by a less than star player then any contact will generate a foul, star-treatmen)t. However when stars are guarding each other the star-treatment is negated When Melo guards LeBron at the end of a game the Rogue Refs swallow their whistle. This works on the other side also. When Jordan or Kobe called or calls to guard someone, they knew and know that the refs will allow them to commit more contact or fouls as opposed to a lessor player. They don't play better D, they get away with mor. bennies of being a star.
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Good point, but the Showtime Bros. were also a vastly underated tough defensive team with defensive college pedigrees, Big Lew, UCLA-Wooden trained, Worthy, NC, Dean Smith,Magic, Michigan State, old school Jud Heathcote (they had to go through Bobby Knight for cryin' out loud!!)
Now the defensive peds of the Knicks read a little differently.Amare, some highschool in Florida, Melo some highschool, whoops, one year of zone defense with that defensive genius Boheim at Syracuse and Chauncey's 2 years at that other defensive giant, U of Colorado.To be fair once Billups stopped bouncing around he majored in D at the University of Larry Brown, got his Doctorate of D and led the Pistons (todays Pissed-offs)to a defensive chip.
With due respect to all parties the Knicks are going to travel a more difficult road defensively because that earlier edjumacation is not in place.It is certainly not impossible, just harder.And harder still because the guy in charge has no respect or deeper knowledge of that end of the court.It's easy to throw the keys to Billups as Holzman once did to Frazier and say, "You're my key man!", but Holzman's team was defensively fundamentally sound, individually and as a unit.Red was also not shy about telling people exactly what he wanted at BOTH ends of the court.D"antoni can act like Holzman, but it's not gonna work.Everybody has to be on board on both ends of the court.What looks easy is that way because people have worked so hard to master thevery difficult nuances of the game.At that level the 5 member machine working in concert becomes art.Can D'Antoni create this?I agree he is an artist at one end of the court, but at the other he hasn't even respected the game.If he is to survive he's got to learn his medium and create.Will he? Can he?We will soon find out.LGK
D'Antoni is a smart man. He's not doing anything different than Riles while coaching the Lakers. Riles knew that he could only fu$k-up Kareem, Majic, Worthy & Co., so he got out of the way. DA'ntoni is following his template. Why try and coach these guys only to be run out by the players. Let them play coach themselves and you will get the extension. D'Antoni knows that the GM is only in title, and he's not sure who other than Dolan he answers, but he is now trying to make friends not enemies. He sees that coach will go down for the Heat's failure, not the playas. Hell if Jerry Sloan is forced out by a player, D'Antoni would not have a chance
In others words D'Antoni knows:
The Heat have the Gig-Three
The Celts have the Big-Three
Charlie Sheen has the Goddesses
& The KNICKS have the Big-3
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Here's what 'Amphony said:
“I sat at a meeting this morning and told them the ball’s going to be in Chauncey’s hands and he’ll make the decision who gets it,” D’Antoni said. “So if they get mad, they’ll get mad at Chauncey. He’s the only one with a ring in this room. So he’s the one who decides who gets the ball.”
Translation: Mr. Chauncey Billups (aka Mr. Big Shot) is now The Commissioner of Gotham City. Call him Commish; call him Commissioner Gordon; call him Mr. Commissioner. He will decide which superhero he calls on when a team of villains attacks the Mecca. He will throw up the Batlamp for Amare to do the Pick and Roll or clear out the right side with green line call to Melo, The Green Hornet. He knows that Landry Fields is a Robin/Kaito type who's Slashin' & Crashin' can complement both stars' games. For all intents and purposes, consider that we now have in the Mecca what Peace or Tman may already coined: Coach Big Shot.
Just Bloguin so'more: that hillbilly is more resilient than a NYC roach. Handing over the keys to the Commish may be the stroke that saves his job. We shall soon see.
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JMATTHICKS is correct in seeing that the Knicks lack size and depth to chanllenge a number of elite teams for a ring this season. Compared to the versatilty of the Spurs or the size of the Lakers, the Knicks have to acquire a big, rebounding center and see either other players on the team further develop their game skills (Fields, Walker, Williams, Douglas) or acquire more depth in the off-season.
Knicks decided to cash in on Azubuike's insurance policy by cutting him, thus concluding that his career is over. Its a shame for Kelenna who in his short NBA career demonstrated enormous energy and tenacity on both ends of the court. His own intensity and all-out hustle probably contributed his injury. For his sake, I hope he can rehab and make it back to the NBA one day.
Buying out Corey Brewer is somehat puzzling since he is highly regarded for his defense. In D'Antoni's offense 1st system, Brewer falls behind both Williams and Walker as a bench player, and either Fields or Douglas at the 2 spot. Knicks were not likely to resign him after the season when he becomes a free agent. Brewer is interested in a buyout now, so that he can become a free agent and negotiate a contract extension before a new CBA is in place.
Even with Jeffries expected coming, Knicks will have one roster spot open and are searching the waiver wires for a big man. Earl Barron has been signed to a 10 day contract with Milwaukee, so count him out. Others out there are Troy Murphy, Leon Powe, and Dan Gadzuric. Murphy is being solcited by several teams, including the Heat. Powe is a tough inside player but not an extraordary rebounder or intimidator at 6'8. Gadzuric at 6'11 and 240 lbs. strikes me as a more serviceable backup for Amare or Turiaf, but would be clearly a stop-gap move with no upside or future. Other possibilities would involve buying out Jerome Jordan's contract in Turkey or someone from the D League.
. The return of Jeffries and the retention of Balkman offers D'Antoni defensive options not previously available. J.J. can guard all 5 positions and Taz can be a stopper and maniacal energizer for a 2nd unit. The Knicks are at least talking more about defense than in the past. D'Antoni must put to use the skill sets of the players he has on his bench, and try to foster player development as the team strives for an advantageous playoff position. LGK
"“That was big for us,” Anthony said, “as far as confidence builders to know we can do it. The good thing is we know we can do it. There’s no doubts about that. Defense is a continuous effort. We can become that team that’s known for being aggressive on the defensive end.”
Am I dreaming?And if I am don't wake me up!
Could this be a transformative Dave DeBusherre moment?(Believe me, you had to be there.)
Anyway. I'll take whatever D I can get.Hopefully enoughD to hinder Orlando's Mad Hatters.That Old Agent O just ain't what he used to be, and Turkeyboo revealed his true self was the Pizza King, not Air Orlando 2.0.This is a team with a narrow dangerous skill set, but a true med-evil MONSTER in the middle (hopefully not Godzilla eats NY).If you allow them to do what they want there will be much rain and no joy in Appleville, NY.We talked all the talk, now let's see if No'D can think the walk.D will take us home, No D' back into the wilderness.Statement game if we want to be the New NY Knicks.LGK
Thanks for the in-depth analysis Mr. Big Points (you have been renamed so, as brother Cooleyhigh would say, that is prima facie evidence of your acceptance). Still, Steady says this and you can take IT for all IT gots: WE AIN'T SCURRED! IT GOT THIS. While you saw a lack of depth, KFs saw the second wave walking down a formidable opponent from a DDD to a 1 pt. lead with a trey from William Walker (of all people--credIT to Zeke who drafted KryptoN8 and later traded him to the LepraCs).
No sense in running the script before ITs time--just let the games and the N.B.A. play out their parts and please don't let the Lone Rogue Ref in (Just Bloguin).
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@LFJeremy,Good stuff & welcome to the family!
Kelenna Azibukie was waved last night for jeffries and Cory Brewer is being bought out for someone unmentioned...could be Troy Murphy???
@Lives Ha, ha, ha,....good one!Pass the ...
@Statesman Touche, but a few small points.First, don't forget Michael Cooper, Defensive Player of the Year in about '87.And Rambo would have been a better name for Rambis. A team is more than just a sum of its parts.Its Head and heart count too.Those guys were a lot tougher than they looked.The C's didn't just fall down.Even more important remember who the Laker coach was and his frame of reference to the game.Pat Riley, not yet the D-Dog he would become, but a very scrappy NY and Kentucky ballplayer from the Git -Go.And I would go with you on your zone references, but you have to admit that the conferences that Worthy and Magic came from were at that time a mixture of pressure and personalized bloodbaths that taught players focus and intensity on both sides of the ball.Point is that experience focused the Lakers on the importance of D early on.Amare and Melo are creations of an ESPN/AAU mentality that forwent the college learning curve.Dollar wise they are probably better off, but that is not the arguement.D'Antoni went to a school that played run and gun, AND never won squat worth mentioning.Euro titles are just what they sound like.It's not that our guys can't play D.My point is that it has never been a point of emphasis for them until they got up to the Big Show and found out that to win big up here you have to maximize skills they were told for various reasons were insignificant.Didn't Amare just dog a certain coach by saying it was Alvin Gentry who showed him the importance of D?His previous coach didn't think it was worthwhile.That's the coach you want me to believe is going to turn this thing around.At this point I can't fault our Big Three.They have a lot to learn and I'm behind them.If No D' has found religion that's cool, but don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining.LGK
Old age is affecting your memory. I was told that memory is the second thing to go, so I offer you my condolesence. That team was anything but physical, they were pure more artist than ballas. Kareem, my all-time favorite game was based on finesse. Wilkes nickname ‘Silk’ was well-earned, and McAdoo off the bench was not a banger. Nixon was pure speed, while Majic just out-thought and out skilled you. Rambis is the only one that could be considered a banger.
BTW---Never mentioned glitter or glitz. Do you project your stereotypes on to others. In other words do you assume to know what others are thinking w/o a basis for your conclusion?
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@Statesman I'm a little surprised that you're regurgitating the MSM interpretation of the "Showtime" Lakers. That team was certainly underrated defensively because MSM and apparently some youngins oculdn't get beyond the glitz and glamour of Hollywood. That Lakers team was a very physical team and demonstrated its defensive mettle in the post-season more than the regular season. I can look at stats later, if you like, but I very clearly remember the physicality and defensive mindset of their game.
You ask "What is it gonna take" Mr. Big Points? See that message from Steady about what constitutes a "great coach". Anything near great would do.
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@Steady I'm fine with the handoff, Holzman did the same thing with Clyde.Two questions;
First if the Commish is in charge wtf is No'D getting paid for?I know, I know, someone has to be in charge, just like my j-o-b.The boss goes to lunch, but he takes the weight, right?Remember that one.
Second, I didn't read the article referenced, but did No'D say anything about the Commish being in charge of the D too?Or is it every man for themselves on D.Who takes the weight there?
PS.Who is Derrick B from Charlotte and why do we want him so bad?
I was surprised to find out this morning that Kelenna was waived. I hear out of the Clippers camp that Rasual Butler may be in consideration to replace him, being long-time buddies with Carmelo. That wouldn't be a bad addition at all.
You can say what you want but Ironside and Morey played out the script like pros (compared to a newsHO like Cuban in Dallas). JJeff rolled back to the Mecca is a mature dealmaker's play. You have just put some air under your golden parachute Mr. Septagenarian.
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