MELO TRADE CHAT THREAD!!!
Knicks obtain Carmelo Anthony, Chauncey Billups, Shelden Williams, Anthony Carter and Renaldo Balkman in exchange for Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, The Knicks will also give up one first round pick, two second round picks and $3 million. (Nugget management made some lemonaide out of lemons, didn't they?)
Wow 107 comments, 59 on the prior thread. This joint is jumpin. As Steady and/or Cooley High would say: "Keep Em Poppin."
Peaceman: Where are you. This should be your moment of glory. You have been yearning and panting for this trade for months. You may have made it happen. Did you die of happiness? Did you go out and celebrate and remain in stupor?
Come and take a bow -- or at least a cameo.
@o&B - good points on ownership. We gotta take this battle into the CBA. Can't lose that Larry Bird rule over a hard cap. That is critical.
@Lives - good analogy. Sometimes you know you are getting hosed and may as well sit back gladly accept it. I think that you reminded me of when I bought season Wiz tix the year MJ came back. But I can tell my grand children that I saw him play and drop 51 as an old man
@MODI @o @Lives That's the thing Dolan and the Managment crew need to keep in mind. This trade for Melo is good if they can work to make the next CBA Big Market fair. Whether that be by phasing in the more onerous provisions unitll the Knicks solidify their big three or win critical battles about items like the MLE or potential franchise tage. Now the fight is in Dolan's hands.
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See Wilbon's article: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=wilbon/110222
@LFJeremy J MattHicks: Michael Wilbon, sports columnist for ESPN and The Washington Post has a similar positive take on the Knicks trade, but believes that it will take some time for the benefits to become manifest.
The knicks need one more piece to make this work. They need a star that is willing to play for almost nothing, accecpt a 1 year deal and want to win. The only person out there that can do this for the knicks is Allen Iverson. Why wait and waste another year of stoudemires and Melos primes to hopefully get paul or williams???? Get Iverson now keep him at least another season "until you can get paul or williams" and see if he can help you win now. He still has alot left in the tank and feels like he has something to prove. So Iverson to the knicks especially with this roster would be the best thing. 1. Billups 2. Iverson 3. Melo 4. Stoudemire 5. Turiaf and sixth man Fields. Look at that roster now and dont tell me you dont see it doing damage in the east.
now that we've traded half the roster for melo, i think its time to focus on the next issue. who the hell are melo n amare gonna play with? we still desperately need a backup pg n we still need big men (now more than ever) as far as big men, i've heard that earl barron could be returning. if this is the case i hope he's the player he was last season when we had him, n not the bum that we seen in phoenix earlier this season. dont really know what else is available. as for the backup pg spot, what are the chances of the knicks making a deal before the deadline for kirk hinrich? brewer, buike and a throw in should be enough to get it done. hinrich is a smart player, w great court vision, a good shooting stroke and a good defender. also if rip hamilton is bought out, id like to see the knicks make a run at him too..... no point in making major moves, only to suffer a laughable first round exit
@bigshon Compete already, sure. I think the chemistry thing for the Knicks will be key to how many games they'll win going forward. But the need to set aside cap space for a true run is very important.
@Orange_and_Blue exactly why i mentioned hamilton and hinrich. i dont know what it would take to get hamilton here, but billups could serve as a tool in achieving that goal. as for hinrich, his contract expires after next season, just in time for 2012 FA. im more than sure the knicks are not ready to make long term commitments. not as long as there are big time free agents available. especially when those big time players are said to have their hearts set on ny. i would no doubt love to have either d-will, cp3 or d train for that matter, however, there is a part of me that just wants to see the knicks compete already.
@bigshon There's a sentiment I'll echo. The deal however, is that whomever the Knicks acquire, they'll need to be mindful of the salary cap next year. Whycome? Well they'll need that space available to make a run at either Derron Williams, Chris Paul or Dwight Howard. Thus we may be seeing a better Beta version of the past several season's Renta Knicks.
Let's go Knicks!
I also want to wish our former players well for the balance of their careers. They did their best to bring the team to a level of respectabilty and to compete for a playoff spot. Denver plays the Memphis Grizzlies tonight. The 4 Knicks going to Denver will not have much time to practice with their new teamates much less to adjust to the oxygen gap in the mile high city. I hope to see hightlights of that game. I can envision George Karl starting a lineup of Nene at Center, Gallo at the 4 spot, W. Thrill at the 3, Felton at the point, and Josh Smith at 2 guard. Karl can later bring in Mozgov for Nene and Al "Buckets" Harrington for J Smith. Harrington would then play the 3, and move Chandler to the 2 guard. With the 5 ex-N.Y. players on the floor at the same time, Felton need only run D'Antoni's sets. No practice needed. Lets Go Knicks.
@Post_up_Prince That should be an exciting team. I'll be rooting for WIll, Felton, Gallo and Mozzy while with the Nuggets. I like their squad. Like LIves I follow players, especially Knicks alumnis. Once a Knick always a Knick!
Apologies from the previous thread where, due to the hysteria/bewilderment related to the major OTP move and fleecing of our side, Steady may have blogged covetously or appeared covetous of an OTP. Earl Barron may not count as an OTP if he's being called from the Good Neighbor's crew. Baby Big Fella is another story as he was recently showcased during the NBDL All-Star game. Though to image IT would call on him as the beef with the Big Fella lingers.
The Scripto nation woke up this morning and recognized from the DNA of this move which had $#IT all over it. The MSM and some rabid fans act like Zeke stole their lunch money, killed their joy or caroused with their sisters and daughters in the back of the Escalade (R.I.P.). You hear talks about anti-Semite, anti-white, anti-ABS, anti-MSM--all cause celebre for hatin' on a Blogga. Lucky for IT they're not throwing in anti-gay--or maybe they will for having moved Dani-Boy. But he selected Danilo in the draft to begin with. If there was ever any doubt that Ironside is just collecting a check as the face of the franchise while Zeke runs the script drafted early after Steph, then the Balkman return is the signature. No more excuses 'Amphony, you've been put on WBLS with DJ Red Alert coming after yo ass. Conference Finals this year or Arrivederci. On second thought, Good Bye Anyway.
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i'm off the ledge.
i feel better about the trade/fleecing after thinking about the picks involved. They were only second-rounders and here I thought they were trading Randolph/Curry for a firster, only to turn around and send it to Denver. So I'm glad the picks aren't as high as previously reported.
I'm still sore over losing Wilson tho. I don't know how he will fare in Denver but I would have liked to see him continue developing next to non-rebounding forwards Amare and Melo. The kid has a toughness about him that I think was contagious. I see some head-bumping on the Nugs court with JR Smith. Very similar players there. JR can slash a bit stronger and more dynamically and has better range on the 3 but Willy's way more consistent, a more willing defender and plays a good team game.
I'll miss Felton too...I thought he would survive the trade. I am looking for him to be moved soon. I'll be surprised if they don't promote Ty Lawson to start with all thee youngsters moving in.
the more I think about all the moving parts and possibilities, I am on board with the move. Just because we got played does not mean it was a bad move. The Knicks, more than any other team in the NBA, have the advantage to obtain role players. This will be done. Many ways to do it.
Walsh's big achievement was Amare, but I'm not rushing to give Walsh any credit on collecting young assets to get Melo. He walked onto the job with Wilson Chandler, David Lee, and the #6 pick. Via Randolph, Lee was only turned into a late 1st-round pick. He blew the #8 pick on Jordan Hill when Derozan and Jennings were next two on the board. And he gave away Hill and a couple of first rounders to lose Jeffries contract -- which in retrospect was meaningless (we already had the cap room to sign one big fish).
He gets credit for adding Felton and Mosgov, but lost far more young talent than that over the two years.
Steady loves BARF (no homo but metro). That Shelden Williams image is why we Blog. ROFLMAOOOOOOOOOOO. Word is that Shelden is "The New Scholar" replacing Rose of yester years. Sheridan referred to him as a WNBA trivia king. The hope is that Shawne, BWalker or Stat can inspire him to grow cojones.
@MODI Yeah, after sleeping on it and talking it out with my wife (who was droppin' some knowledge this morn. I have no idea where the hell that came from), I love this move. The Knicks as they were were not going far. Sometimes in life you just got to give up more than you want to take advantage of an opportunity that mah never come around again. Kinda like spending $1600 for a round trip ticket to the all-star game at the last minute. It's a rip off, but the experience from it is invaluable. (No I didn't do it. LOL)
This move, whether it works or not, does put us closer to a chip than any other move would have. Carmelo was not leaving $40 Million on the table. For the Knicks, it really was now or forget it because Melo was chicken shit over a measley $40 Million. (Actually I ain't mad at you. Like Amar'e, strike while the iron is hot and the cash is flowing.)
Bad short-term business, but a gamble worth the failure that may follow.
@Post_up_Prince @MODI Yes Landing Melo I suppose says to many would be free agent next year, that the Knicks are willing to build w/ Stars. They have charismatic Stars to play the phone lines and recruit the promises of the splendid NY Media market.
To that end the biggest battles are not on the court but rather in the Owners meetings for Dolan and co. They msust fight off the all at once inclusion of a hard cap and a franchise tag. It's in their (big market ownerships) best interest to do so. Or at least make Stern phase in such provisions if their revenue sharing dollars from their big market communications empires will feed the needy in Denver, Cleveland and Timbuktu!
@MODI You always see the big picture and judge moves by their long range impact. Certainly Melo and Stat should be able to attract another superstar--CP3 or Deron W. or perhaps Dwight Howard. Their will be other role players of talent willing to take less money or mid-level cap salaries in order to contribute to a championship run. Right now, however, I would feel better if we could attain a big-man who can help rebound and block shots as well as sub for or play alongside Stat or Turiaf. .
@MODI Walsh's GM performance for the NYK is way over-stated. I have to keep reminding myself of that when reading all this anti_isiah bizness. He's managed to field a better product but the franchise still has little on-court identity (No D, Not 7SOL, just O), is still not winning and has no roster stability. OTOH, this trade cements our team identity as a purely O-ffensive squad, for better or worse and the roster turnover will probably slow down somewhat.
I like the length left on the wing with Brewer and Shawne Williams. Both skilled, both young. No D tho, that troubles me. Balkman is back. IT wouldn't have it any other way.
I like our small guys Toney Douglas and Azuibuke, when he returns.
Shelden's a pro with a gorgeous wife and def not a big in the mold of Amare. I wonder if he can adjust his game for NY and become more of a banger/rebounder, which is what the rotation needs from a big off the bench. If not, I see him sitting right next to D'Antoni sharing tales of weekend-BBQ's and swapping family pics.
Chauncey will be interesting to watch. He might end up being a NY hero by the time this is all said and done. He's def an x factor cuz he still has some good ball left and you can tell he's proud.
Carmelo is not the final piece to a championship puzzle tho. I don't expect to go far this year but with a vet PG, 2 strong fowards and a coach who ignores D, anything is possible.
If his folks hadn't put the D before the apostrophe, Coach Mike would have forgotten all about it by now.
The grain of salt is that this guy is not a basketball analyst. He's a numbers cruncher. But take it for what you will.
We got fleeced, but it is what it is, interesting.
First many thanks to the brothers who gave their best to their team.GWG (Go With God).I hope everyone has a healthy safe landing and a great career.Thanks for the entertainment.
States , you're not comparing Walsh to the Rubin from LIU/76ers who barely won a game in the NBA?I find it hard to believe Walsh was okay with the giveaway, but at the bottom of the page this story is ended (End of the day is SOOO overused).What's left is three great players (Chauncey is still great in my book, a possible star and a bunch of rollers, holy I hope.D'Ant has his chance or Zeke moves him out.It's a tough world.By the way McGiniss didn't have the concentration to play with others as good as himself.Note, he shortly played his way out of the league.LGK fellas, LGK.
@Tman Wow TMan: If you remember Rubin of the LIU/Philly 76's, you are as old as I am or else are well versed in basketball history.
@Tman Yep, My well wishes and prayers to Chandler, Gallinari, Felton and Mozgov! Thanks for all you've collectively done for the organization.
Tuning the page, unless proven otherwise I will continue to be highly skeptical of Knicks mgt no matter who is publicized as the person running the ship.
While some are crying in their soup about Moz, does anyone recall that D'Antoni does not use a traditional big-man. D'Antoni buried that guy on the bench. According to D'Antoni the traditional low-post guy clogs the middle.
Chemistry and rebounding. Let's see how this works. Can you define roles of superstars, and guys like Chauncey in 27-28 games. We will see
@Lives'- the 6ers team was not an on court failure. Their problems were off the court, The team was built around McGinnis who was acquired a year before Dr. J and they were big rivals in the ABA. Big George did not like playing second fiddle to J in the ABA, and he could not handle playing that role up close. Once Dr. J arrived it was clearly his team and Big George rebelled. Talent still rules, remember this team..Kareem, Majic, Worthy, Wilkes, Scott, Nixon, Cooper, McAdoo. Maybe you remember this team, Bird, McHale, Parrish,DJ,Ainge, Walton. The key is are guys willing to sacrifice?
Note--Let's hope Silk(Jamaal Wilkes), makes the HOF. A true winner 2-chips at UCLA, 1 at Golden State, and 3 with Lakers. In addition an academic all-american at UCLA
@Tman--Walsh reminds me of the guys such as Alan Greenspan, Rubin or a few of the other guys that helped ceate the financial mess. They have now repackaged themselves as guys with the answers. Maybe Walsh learned from his mistakes that strangled Indiana finacially and now he knows what not to do. What Isiah is learning that only certain folks are given an opportunity to rebuild their reputations.
@o&B, was that an idle threat, or a threat that is idle. You will not lose credibility here (in your house)), but some who don't know you might think that you wanted a role in Melo's drama. Say it ain't so. Hope to read you soon.
Peace & Blessings
Prokhorov is brilliant. Wink, wink, "fantastic" meeting with Melo suckered Dolan into coughing up his entire team. What a poker move. The Nets now have the spot light all to themselves in the big apple to land the next big free agent players.
The Knicks should have done the in sept or oct. Now they are barely over .500 and it's going to take a while to gel. I still hoping for the best and will continue to be a fan.
Now Dolan, please extend Walsh and let him get back to work to get us back a decent big man back. He already fixed your mess up once, I know he can do it again.
@Jbtrickstr Yeah, I got to give it to Prokhorov, he's a shrewed business man. That means a shrewd tactician and willing to play a game to win a war.
I'm for resigning and extending Walsh as well. Has he made mistakes? Yes! Is he the best GM out there? No. He's pretty good and the Knicks wouldn't have been in position to angle for Melo if the team weren't reconstructed w/ young cheap assets that could be swung in a deal for Anthony.
holy shyt!!!!!!! crazy news to wake up to....cant believe the knicks actually succomb to the nuggets trade demands.....i could have swornt this thing was going down to the deadline,
at the moment this is bittersweet, happy to have carmelo, but def not diggin the price paid.....now the question is who the hell r melo n amare gonna play with? the big question IMO is will the knicks actually try to salvage this thing and build a competitive team, or are we destined to watch 2 superstars narrowly miss the playoffs, in hopes of luring d will or cp3 to ny in 2012 FA? we still got azbuikes contract, that should get us something, roger mason too. not sure how the trade rules work exactly, but i wonder if brewer, balkman, and williams could be traded elsewhere too? at this point im really reaching, i dont know what to expect.
@bigshon Yeah Shon, does the phrase "Phyric Victory" apply here with what the Knicks just did to land Carmelo.
I think the Knicks are going to have to buy late round draft picks and early 2nd round draft picks to bolster their roster w/ young hungry talent. They may also have to scour the D League and the Waiver wire for more replaceables. It's just my opinion but a team is much more than Stars, it's also a good supporting cast. The Knicks had that with the Guys they gave up.
I'm pretty sickened by the way the Knicks organization always caves and appears to get hosed even in deals to land top tiered talent. Walsh or whomever did not obtain this acquisition via the path of least resistance. They went on a death march, and unless Melo plays like the 2nd coming of Air Jordan, I'm not sure what we got will ever be enough to get the Knicks to where their fandom wants them to go to.
2am and time for me to hit the hay to think about this twelve player three team deal.
I wonder how does Isiah take credit for this without violating David Stern's ruling. Hmmmmm. He doesn't someone gives him credit directly when it succeeds or fails. If it fails D'Antoni and Walsh allies will let you know why. If it succeeds, Isiah's wife will chime in.
See you closer to sun rise.
The other shoe has not fallen yet because the rebounding is really thin. Sure, Fields leads all NBA shooting guards in rebounds. He will need to stay relevant and in play. The Turiaf NBA "injuries" will need to heal quick as he is now the lone true Center on the squad. watch how miraculous his healing will be since there's no longer a need to showcase Mazgov. NYK has little to offer in terms of draft choices but Ironside intimated he was cooking something for a beast of a big man. He could have been posturing. He has Brewer and Zubie's expiring as tradeable assets right now. Let's see what happens by Thursday's deadline.
@Steady Unless I am mistaken, the Knicks have no No 1 draft choices until 2015. We may have 1 or 2 NO. 2 draft choices. I Isiah is "consulted" on those choices, we should be o.k.
@Steady Well Knicks have a few days to work the phones and scour the waiver wire to round out the roster. All we can do is wait and see.
Landry Fields tweeted:
@landryfields Ray, Gallo, Wil, Timo, Ant & Eddy, thnx for everything you've done for me so far this Rookie year! I appreciate it!
They brought in Anthony Mason to work with Edd and get him ready to play. At the end of his assignment, he declared that his client was good to go. 'Amphony used his coach's privilege and decided that he did "not want to go there" so he preferred to over-play Stat at the C position.
For all his bravado, da phony one gets Zeke's poison pill back in the fold. Renaldo is a known quantity at the Mecca.
Wednesday's LBE should be a BLAST!
@Steady Dolan is a high roller. But Masai Ujiri is brilliant. Now how did Mark Warkentien help us get a break in this deal?
@Steady This is really cool. I think it was a lame trade, but that team was not taking us to the finals. Knicks Fanatics are back. LOL!!