Adding Mozgov to the already super-generous offer is absurd. Knicks will then be giving Chandler, Gallo, Felton, Randollph, Mozgov + E. Curry's contract and a No 1 draft choice to Denver in return for Melo + Billups and 2 bench riders--gone after the season. Where is the depth and rebounding to come from? Moving Mozzy puts more pressure on Stat to play more minutes--while Romy Turiaf's injury prone career makes his contribution problematical and often day by day. With Randolph also gone in the deal, there is no other back-up center available on the team--nor are there assets left to find one this year or in July. Recall that the Knicks have no No 1 draft choice until 2014.
The only reason the Knicks have offered as much as they have is because Anthony is scared that he will lose up to $40 million (probably a highly inflated number) in a new CBA and thus reduction/limitation on max salary affecting team salary caps. Thus, the fear is that he will be forced to (1) agree to sign an extension in Denver--which by the way does not want him any more because of the team disruption he has caused or (2) accept a trade and extension with New Jersey. If that is the case, Melo may be rich, but never attain a championship ring in his lifetime,
As a number of us have said, the ball is essentially in Melo's court. If he can hold firm and reject an extension with Denver and an extension with New Jersey, he can force a trade to New York at a more reasonable cost to the Knicks. He can then get the extension, and perhaps more, from the Knicks as well.
Once again, I believe that Melo's fears need to be minimized by a more realistic perspective. The teams (including the owners) who have attained finanicial success and want to compete with the elite will not want too much restriction on cap space. NBA consolidation will also serve to benefit the cap space issue. Marginal players will lose their jobs, but good players will find homes in other cities--who will need to increase not decrease their salary caps. Melo, moreover, will make more from association with a winning Knick franchise than he could in either Denver or New Jersey/Brooklyn. There is no limit to what Melo could make in marketing his own products, product endorsements and appearances. And if Stern is serious about NBA expansion, then New York is the place to launch an international Melo sale of products (see Marbury in China) as well as exhibition and/or even league play in London, Paris and Madrid.
As a number of us have said, the ball is in Melo's court.. If he can hold firm, and call Denver's bluff, he can (1) reject an extension with the Nuggets (who I believe no longer really wants him) (2) reject an extension with New Jersey, and (3) can likely force a trade to the Knicks.
I believe that Denver is bluffing and is acting in bad faith with both Melo and the Knicks. If Denver decides to keep him without a signed extension (bad idea) or trade him for little or nothing to a team willing to take him without an extension--where he will be disgrutled, then so be it. Melo only has to endure the experience until July 1st, when he can join the Knicks, who will be in a better position to surround him and Amare with greater talent.
New Jerseys Russian owner's conduct in this matter is equally despicable. He knows that Melo is not interested in playing for his team, yet he plays on Melo's insecurity regarding the salary cap to force him to accept an extension with the Nets--minus Harris, Favors and 4 No. 1 draft choices. So much for a championship in Melo's future. Melo should say NYET to the Nets in no uncertain terms. Prokhorov is doing this solely to drive up the price for the Knicks so that one day a Brooklyn Nets/NY Knicks rivalry will put fans in his arena. New Jersey and Brooklyn residents who are Knick fans should remember this insidious, treacherous act and boycott all Net games, --especially the games when the Knicks visit. .
Dolan, Walsh and Co. should not waiver in their stance on a Melo trade. Adding Mozgov along with what is already on the table is suicidal. If no deal is struck today or by 12:00 noon tomorrow, the Knicks should wak away and seek to strenghthen the team by trading or buying out E-Curry's contract and attaining either a solid rebounder/defender or a back up point guard.
I also want to wish our former players well for the balance of their careers. They did their best to bring the team to a level of respectabilty and to compete for a playoff spot. Denver plays the Memphis Grizzlies tonight. The 4 Knicks going to Denver will not have much time to practice with their new teamates much less to adjust to the oxygen gap in the mile high city.
I hope to see hightlights of that game. I can envision George Karl starting a lineup of Nene at Center, Gallo at the 4 spot, W. Thrill at the 3, Felton at the point, and Josh Smith at 2 guard. Karl can later bring in Mozgov for Nene and Al "Buckets" Harrington for J Smith. Harrington would then play the 3, and move Chandler to the 2 guard. With the 5 ex-N.Y. players on the floor at the same time, Felton need only run D'Antoni's sets. No practice needed. Lets Go Knicks.
Fleeced once again.
Steady and ready to love the ones we've got. This move may have opened the gates for Baby Big Fella or Earl Barron to come back to the Mecca. ln the grand scheme, A Carter replaces ESitty but will be serviceable floor general in case Douglas continues to regress. A Randolph enigma is replaced by Brewer enigma who needs the name to Esitty's chef. 'amphony's excited because the kid is rangy. He's coming into the doghouse slot vacated by the previous enigma. Still unsure why the MSMs keep jonesing for Dolan to return back with a 70-year old disabled vete vet The coach watch officially begins. The Script says a coach with a chip and popedigree comes in to lead the men at the Mecca.
Steady as IT goes.
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well the deal is done, and my official stance is that the jury is out until 2012. By that time we know if an aging Chauncey is replaced by CP3 or DWil. If that happens, then everyone will bless this trade. If it doesn't, then we will still have to wait and see the development of Mozgov and Randolph -- the two biggest "wild cards" whose ceiling is unknown. We will also know if we can replace some of the role players through other means. Keeping the mid-level exception in the new CBA will be critical. Obviously Mozgov's loss is most glaring hole.
In the meantime, I won't lie -- I'm excited. Chauncey is shooting over 43% from 3-point land this year (big upgade from Felton) which along with Fields (40%) should spread the floor nicely for both Amare and Melo -- who will sacrifice some of his post game. For 48 minutes there will be a low-post threat on the floor. If you add a serviceable rebounder at center, and you can make some noise before CP3 makes his move.
I encourage brother O&B to wait and see as well.
Hey States, I thought Lenny did a decent job (40-41) with the talent base that he was given.
O & B: Please dont't leave us. I know that Dolan gave away the store, but a Knick Fanatic is a Fanatic for Life. Love the one's your with despite the idiot inmates running the asylum. Knicks will have one roster spot open and can hopefully attain a big center type to replace Mozgov--"we hardly knew you." Jerome Jordan, as Peaceman noted, may be on his way from Europe. The starting 5 is quite good: Stat, Melo, Fields, Billups and Turiaf. Sheldon Williams has a big body and can rebound a bit. Balkman does play D. Shawn Williams can fill in at the 4, B. Walker at the 3 or 2, and Douglas at the 1 or 2. A. Carter will replace Curry on the bench. Perhaps Rautins can develop his game and Azubuike may return soon . Go have a drink -- take a break and come back to us. LGK and KFFL
T: Man: Unfortunately, Mozgov is also included in the package going to Denver as well as the Knicks 2014 draft choice and 2nd round picks + $3 million to Denver which also acquires Corey Brewer from the T Wolves. Knicks also gave Minnesota A Randolph and E. Curry. See link to Yahhoo Sports News below.
Well, we keep Fields, so I'm good.Hopefully, we keep Moz.The journey continues.D'Antoni is locked and loaded.No more 7 seconds excuses.LGK
Yahoo Sports News also confirmed the trade: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba
Peaceman should be very happy.
My post seems to have been lost, but Frank Isola of the New York Daily News announded arouund 10:30 p.m. that the Knicks acquired Carmelo Anthony and Chauncey Billups in return for Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari, and Raymond Feldton. Isola could not confirm whether or not whether or not Mozgov was involved or other details, such a a No 1 draft choice attained from Minnesota for E Curry and A. Randolph.
Statess, not an arguement, just a discussion.Walsh may be middle of the road, but it is the road we're on right now.We don't get to choose.I think he like some others does a decent job, as opposed to a pair of fools who have proven their inability to handle Knick business.Pat Williams picked Shaq and lost him.Same for Ferry, and his desperate attempts to surround LeBron with a winner.Look at your list and most of those teams did it with a star or two at their disposal.No one is making the case for Walsh being God's gift to the game.The point is he is competent and is probably worthy of executive of the year, or at least runner up.He certainly doesn't deserve the gate.As for his departure in Indiana it wasn't based on competence, it was the usual power struggle.Are you saying Larry is still a legend as a GM?By the way Smits was a #2 from the Marist Red Foxes.What league do they come from?I'd say that was more than a bit of a gamble and a pretty decent pick.I usually don't expect anything from rookies unless they are basketball freaks.And I mean that in the most positive way.That's a 2 to 3 year process.As for Fields, how do you calculate his upside right now.He seems to be a great complimentary player and you don't find those out of the gate every day.He's worth a gamble and I wouldn't give him away until I knew what I had.That will take time which I hope he has.In fact he has made me say something I never thought I would.He goes, I turn in my gear.Even through the darkest years I never said that.Why, because he is a throwback and losing him would raise the level of stupidity to an unbearable level.I watch this kid and it brings me back to Frazier, Reed and how the game should be played.But that's just me....and Walsh.As for Mo, I'm not inlove but big guys that mobile and hostile are assets, Mosgov yes, Randolph no.Again, just me.Walsh is who he is and right now he's the guy who should be calling the shots.I have no problem with that.Let's see how this thing plays out.If Fields is part of this trade it wil be a mistake no matter who engineers it.I don't think Walsh will give him up.As for Moz, I think he wants to keep him too.Dolan and Zeke need to get back in the back seat they belong in.
Frank Isola of the New York Daily New just announced on Sportschannel (Manhattan Cable TV -- Channel 26) that the Knicks acquired Carmelo Anthony and Chauncey Billups in return for Wilson Chandler, Danilo Galinari, and Raymond Felton, but could not confirm whether or Mozgov was in the deal or other details.
I know that Pat Williams as a GM led Orlando to the Finals. Danny Ferry had Cleveland there. The folks at Utah have been to a final. Does every coach or GM that makes to a final become a legend? Hell Lenny Wilkins was a great coach at one time, but when he showed up in New York the game had passed him. Donnie took the Indiana franchise down, and guys like you seem to only remember the one trip to the finals. In fact Donnie is manipulating the press to make it appear that he is not behind the deals so if it fails he does not take the blame. Just as he passed Indiana on to Larry Legend, with bad contracts.
You are right judge Donnie on what he has done. Look at the trades, drafts, and free agent signings minus Amare. Not too different from Indiana. BTW RiCK Smits was #2 pick in the draft. No STATS and this team is still 10 games below 500. The money on STATS was so much greater including the years that STAT had to come to New York. Heck I’m sure that Dolan is thinking folks said we gave up too much for STATS, why not do the same for Melo.
Regarding you and O & B’s love fest with Fields. He is an ok player, but I also remember Boris Diaw, Barbosa, Marion, and others have good to great years in this same offense. Once put in a conventional plan their greatness, or perceived greatness disappeared.
Who’s done better than Donnie (Knicks & Pacers). Ask and you will receive.
Donnie is middle of the road and nothing more.
Peace & Blessings
Calm down peep! Wait and see the final results before you stress out.
I think we'll be fine and surprised about how much we didn't give up!
anybody not Named Amare or Fields is the right price...WE WANT MELO........WE WANT MELO........ and BILLUPS
States baby? How do you like me Now??? For the record ...I was the leader of Lebron would never be a knick.... Artest was slightly off base ..if LA hadn't offered him a contract..he'd be a Knick. And my writtings of Melo are sure as hell fact. You feeling a little KNEE DEEP with BYNUM for Melo? Hahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!
The Romans conquered the world with their organized formation, the Roman Square.Our weakness is organization, therefore we'll lose this "negotiation, unless we get organized and "hold fast", see "Master and Comander".We are not on the same page, Walsh vs. Zeke, etc. so we are on line to lose the battle of Moscow.Walsh may not be a genius, if he had won the chip in Indiana he might have been labeled one, but aside from pulling the Knicks out of Dolan's financial selfmade hell, he did make hamburger look like steak in Indiana.Rik Smits was an immobile big turkey, the Davis Bros were one dimentional hitmen, Reggie only a great jumpshooter with a mean streak and the rest a variety of role players.Somehow Walsh made it work. That formed his legacy.Seems like he did a lot with a little.Did he make mistakes, sure, West and Auerbach made their share too.Auerbach didn't initially want Cousy.What did West do in Memphis before he left? You measure the man by the sum total at the very end.That's a pretty good motivation for a New York guy with a Carolina legacy.Donnie is a basketball guy from head to toe.Money pushed to the side for a second, you're dealing with the motivation of a lifer.This deal is part of his legacy.He knows he's probably gone, undeservedly so.For that matter what has Zeke done for us lately.Just for laughs, who's done a better job than Walsh without collusion, Kupchak, Ainge?Let him do his thing.I don't love Mosgov, don't love Hit-N-Run either.But they have talent.You go to an expert for professional advice, then you're supposed to take it.That lets Dolan and Ike rule out right there based on their piss poor record.Would you let these guys manage your money?Go with Walsh or Dolan/Zeke?Pretty easy pick.
the knicks should take their offer off the table right now. force both melo's and the nugget's hands. if he signs with the Nets or Denver so be it..I believe that the Nets and the Nuggets have been playing the Knicks all along. Especially now that reports are surfacing that the Nets want Danilo and Mozgov. How dumb can Dolan be?
Fanatics: Are the Knicks that fickle to say in one breath that they are of one mind on a Melo trade, have drawn a line in the sand, and will not add another player (Mozgov) to the proposed deal, then suddenly add Mozgov to the mix (see the Denver Post: http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_17440130 --knowing that Mozzy and at least one other Knick is goiing to New Jersey? See Chris Broussard's latest: http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=6144608.
If this deal goes down with 6 Knick players gone (Chandler, Gallo, Felton, Mozgov, Curry and Randolph) and getting 3-4 back: Melo, Billups, William and/or Balkman. There will be at least 2-3 vacancies on the bench. Are there Devlopmental League Players out there who can replace Mozgov and others at will? I want to see the whole story before I can accept the above stories coming from the Denver Post and Broussard.
I concur with Steady--why employ Alan Hahn at MSG and Newsday (owned by Cablevision) and keep him out of the loop?
Carmelo has reportedly said that he would let the Nets know by this evening as to whether or not he will accept thier offer. We may at least thereafter learn what to rule in (New Jersey) or what to rule out (New Jersey). Stay tuned for the next Melo-dy.
looks like the deal could be finalized.
One thing that hasn't been mentioned too often, and it may be less of a factor then the prominently mentioned Labor issues as the deadline gets closer, is the idea that Carmelo and the Nuggets probably discussed a back room deal that would make both sides happy. Carmelo seems to have enjoyed his time with the Nuggets so far so he probably would be agreeable to a situation that leaves them with some talent following his departure. The Knicks have come a long way from their original 3 way deal with the Nuggets and TWolves. Now Carmelo has to make a choice about money and the talent of the team that he may be traded to. That's a tough situation to be in but one that he was probably complicit in creating.He pushed the Knicks price up by meeting with the Nets even though he has no intention of signing with them long term.
For all the talk about the Knicks not having any assets it now seems as if the Nuggets are interested in trying to take all of them.
I don't see anything happening before Thursday and I wouldn't be surprised if it comes in a "Decision Light" style.
" A lockout hurts management as much as it does players. The NBA Players Association is not a weak union and its members can afford a lockout or strike" --PUP
PUP, --A union is only as strong as the individuals. You cannnot possibly believe that the NBA-Players can afford to miss paychecks. The lifestyles, baby-mama drama, and bling have most of those guys one paycheck away from povety. If you don't believe me look at Shaq's divorce filing and his expenses($10 mill/year), See Eddy Curry.
Finally Stern and the owners have chipped away at the Players Union each period and this time they are going for the kill. Remember when Glen(BigDog) Robinson signed a 10 year contract as a rookie. The owners announced that they would eliminate long-term deals for rookies. The rookie contract are now only guaranteed for two years , and the other two years are at the team's option. Stern and the Owners (there’s a reason they are called owners) goal this trip is to cut the max contract to 3 years and lower the dollar amount. I believe in trends. The trend has been for the owners to get, while the players give. I put my money on the owners.
O & B,---You have been LeBron on the CAVS. You have carried the team the last few months. All praises and respect to you. However, the skip pass was intercepted, and turned into a 360 dunk by the other team. We know that you have paid your dues, and you are not Knee-Deep. What I said was that is reminds me of some Knee-Deep type of crap. You are bigger than that. C’mon bro. You are looking for love in the wrong places.
Peace & Blessings
(no Peace in manPeace)
the nets and nuggets are becoming very aggravating.....the nuggets are trying to sabotage melo no matter where he ends up, they are trying to hurt any team who acquires him by stripping them of talent and a future, in terms of draft picks......melo has to see this, he has to decide weather its gonna be $$$$ or potential championships? this is new york and the knicks are number one in this town.....(lbj n company took less in miami, n like it or not they are gonna b a force to contend with...they are gonna win, n they will make every cent back in endorsements n legacy)....it would be nice to be the face of a new-franchise in bk, but they cant offer what the knicks can.. they've already crippled themselves w lame contracts, n brook lopez is having a sub-par season to say the least....we have a bigger picture in mind in ny....were trying to rebuild one of the of the biggest nba franchises and we are well on our way. the knicks have tried, we grind our teeth and weve made made tough decisions to come up with a deal. melo needs to see this for the that it is, and reiterate to the nuggets that he has already decided where he wants to play.
I repeat, "the Knicks are getting played." No, I take that back. "They aren't just getting played; they're getting splayed."
Good stuff gents. It's real simple. Don't do it. Leave Anthony alone. We took two years of so-called patience just to nuke the team for another rebuilding project. The embarrassment of having hte Nets wind up with Danilo Gallinari or Wilson Chandler should be enough to kill this deal, especially if the Knicks are forced to give up Mozzy.
Admittedly, I don't think a helluva lot of Mozzy and I am dissatisfied with Gallo, but trading a team for a prolific scorer without much of a deensive game is paying too much. How is it that everyone else can seem so smart in these deals except Knicks management. That is a rhetorical question.
Death of a Sports-Fan(atic)
Melodrama has confirmed to me that sports has become more about off-court issues and personalities and less about sports. The changing landscape is to appeal to the Peripheral Sports Fan, (PSF). The PSF does not enjoy the actual sport itself as much as he/she enjoys the personalities involved. The PSF has been nurtured in a celebrity culture. The athlete is now covered like a rock/movie star. The PSF wants to know less about his on court chemistry and more about his off the court chemistry. Who is he dating? Where does he hang out? Does he cheat on his wife? All of this feeds the big monster that has the greatest influence on our society. Television.
Yes television has changed the American family, (no more eating meals together. Where’s my TV-tray), and sports (you can now watch college football seven days a week).. Television and the Billion dollar partnerships with the leagues needs the PSF for the ratings game to charge more for the ad dollars. The dying newspaper are the equivalent of a whore working the stroll in a gay community. It is almost impossible to get readers, so they are pimping the PSF.
What should a hard-core sports’ fan do? Join a fantasy league or better yet a blog. Become a GM overnight and make the best dam trades ever. If the trades don’t fill your jones, then create a conspiracy. A good conspiracy trumps your best movie mystery. Sports where have you gone?
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Peaceman--takes fandom to a new level. As usual he gives guarantees as if he’s at the trading table. He has not been accurate this century, but if you read his writing you would call him ‘Big-Shot”, he talks as if it is factual. Remember Artest, LeBron, and the five un-drafted starters.
O & B--Has come out of the closet and proven that he’s not in the middle and is willing to take a stand. In fact he’s now writing what could be interpreted as suicide letters to Jimmy Dolan. Who sends a threat to a recovering alcoholic? O & B the threat to give up on the Knicks if the proposed trade goes through is straight out of Knee-Deep. Don’t confuse Knee-Deep with Deep-Throat, it was not a best seller and should not be copied. Stand… there’s a Giant Standing Tall, and a Midget about to Fall.
T-Man--please provide evidence that Donnie Walsh is the Poker Player or the GM that you speak. I can recall the McGrady trade, the Indiana drafts and a recent statement by Larry Legend himself. As the fans have called for Larry’s head in Indiana, the Legend defended his tenure by saying that he was left a situation with bad contracts and very little flexibility. You speak as if Donnie is Jerry West reincarnated. Do you know something that the rest of us do not?
Carmelo--“Act like a Balla, and Think Like a Billionaire”. You just might be the biggest loser of all. Do not become the poster child for the New NBA. The New league will give the power and control back to the owners and the players will be treated like employees. Max-contracts will be lowered, and flexibility will be null. Don’t let the Billionaires use you. Sign the $65 million and then demand a trade. See Pau Gasol and others. Stan Kroenke is a ruthless businessman. I believe that he has created this noise (with help from the league) to appear to be looking to move you. If you are not traded by the deadline the $65 million comes off the table immediately. You will be franchised and your next contract falls under the new CBA. Don’t get played.
@MODI The key as you said is "adding a serviceable rebounder at center." Otherwise, a weak rebounding team became a weaker rebounding team with less shot blockers. Here's hoping that Walsh has another trade/move pending to acquire a replacement for Mozgov--and hopefully a more effective, less foul prone board snatcher. LGK.
@MODI I will wait it out and see. We have untill sometime in the 2012-13 season to see what transpires.
@Post_up_Prince Well what do we do now Post Up? Sign Earl Barron, Recall Jerome Jordan, See if Jared Jefferies is Bought out? Comb the D League for hungry grunts @ the 4 and 5 spot? See if we can acquire White Chocolate Williams?
Knicks need to beef up what they have. Fields better step up. Melo better step up. This whole Melo arrival in NY reminds me of a scene from Saving Private Ryan, where the Tom Hanks caracter tells the Ryan that he had better earn it. Melo had better earn his arrival in NY. I'll miss the guys we gave up big time. I'm now aligning myself w/ Aaron.
@Orange_and_Blue O.K. The Blog would never be the same without the Orange and Blue.
@Post_up_Prince I'll be around. The Knicks have the sorriest mgt. team ever. Thsi stands true unless I'm proven wrong. If the Knicks don't win a chip, I'm going to ride and heckle Anthony like a Ghetto Rican!
@Post_up_Prince "Mozgov is also included in the package going to Denver as well as the Knicks 2014 draft choice and 2nd round picks + $3 million to Denver".WTF!!!When did bending over and grabbing ankles become p'art of the deal.We've been reamed.Moz was over the top, what is the rest of this BS?Donnie, say it ain't so
@Statesman you forgot Vancouver!
@Steady I say throw in Moz and keep Randolph!
Watch...that may happen!
@Peaceman You once had A (more athletic) Randolph on that list of untouchables--until 'Amphony got NY and the Mecca faithfuls convinced that he is garbage. So what's good? And do you realize that the deal includes Randolph which gets a 1st rounder to Denver PLUS NYK's 1st in 2014? Maybe that's just too many versions from all these news cycles because the Denver Post is OFF. Even if NYK is raising a banner in 2013, you do a deal like that if you know Denver will be contracted/relegated and all those players will come back to the Mecca anyway. Is that the Script? Doubt IT.
Let's see if there are real negotiators in the room as opposed to just egos. The first shoe will fall after Melo makes his statement about his preferred place to play.
@Tman yes at the right price!
@Tman At this point, and this will divide the Fanatics, I'd go with whomever stands his ground. Whoever doesn't stand his ground is the punk, whether that be Zeke, Dolan, Walsh, D'Antoni whomever. Stop being punked by other franchises!
@Post_up_Prince "The next Melo-dy." On point. LOL.
This makes Melo a mighty powerful Knick doesn't it. Once again, the players will rule in the Knicks lockerroom.
@AaronHodges Couldn't have said the following better myself.
"For all the talk about the Knicks not having any assets it now seems as if the Nuggets are interested in trying to take all of them."
@AaronHodges Awww--suki-suki A-Dub! You're showing some tendencies of a Scriptologist. If IT was in the CBA days, the real chess move here would be for NYK to work your alternative deals involving ESitty's expiring with a Portland or a Minny and floating the 10-day offer to Earl Barron while sending your scout out to check out the readiness of Jordan in Europe (albeit not viable for the playoff run). As a NYK, you've already told the playa you covet him and will do everything you can within reason to give him his due/payday. Why rush only to die on your sword? For all the money Cablevision paid to get as much ink needed to offset the NY MSM when they acquired Newsday, they sure have kept Alan the KHahn on the bench while using Frank Assola to do their wikileaks. OOoopps, that's IT using his Assola. Newsdays should be all over this story as should Cablevision instead of getting scooped by CNBC and YahooSports. WTF? Who's running these companies? ABAs all around and this time, ITs A Bunch of Amateurs.
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All I really would like is to root for an organization and team that is not the result of knee jerk or weak in the knees desperation. One that doesn't always over bid to even slightly upgrade. I know you have to give to get BUT WHY do the Knicks always have to give more than others and be left almost empty or out of balance in the process.
Is that too much to dream of?
@Statesman Put that way I can understand where you're coming from.
Listen it's just very disheartening that the Knicks are over over bidding nad being played like suckers. That's really it to me.
@Statesman True, some players have managed their finances badly and will be hurt by a lockout or strike. But most can afford an additional month or so off. The season is quite long as it is. Additionlly, not all owners are of like mind. Some want to keep their players content, can well absorb enhancing player salaries, and suffer from "covetous" desires--wanting to buy talented players for thier own teams to compete for playoff positions and rings. I am not convinced that NBA players have "given back" so much in recent CBA contracts--most union rank and file would love a mininum $1.5 miillion per year.
@Statesman ROFLMAOOOOOOOOOOO Statesmen!
@bigshon I ardently co-sign. But money is big thing to walk away from. The point that they are trying to insult and disrespect Melo should matter alot. They are doing to Melo what Cavs ownership would have like to have done to Lebron. LBJ is one slick cat.
@Lives You are Money as usual Lives. I'm just Pippen to Mr. Jordan. Especially right on about the insult to injury factor of flipping our trade back on us to send the ones we should have loved back to NJ.
@Statesman "Don’t let the Billionaires use you. Sign the $65 million and then demand a trade. See Pau Gasol and others"
Statesman... whoever told you to be yourself..couldn't have given you worse advise!
@Steady @Statesman Steady a PSF is for Melo at any cost and regardless of how much it weakens the overall team. An analytical and logical sports fan is not for giving up any more to the Thuggets. The line has to be drawn.
I'm no KD but I find it hard to root for a Franchise managed by a bunch of Steven A. Smith pay at all cost baffoons.
NBA Expansion, globbally may have opened the way for the Players to hold out and drag out a stand out for the next CBA. Do you know what it is? It's called playing aboard! If players are worried about no cheddar from a lockout, the recent history of NBA Ballas aboard could provide an entertaining year of EuroLeague Ball. A year or so in which middling to low NBA talent with mouths to feed get exposure aboard and keep getting cheddar to fight off the Owners onerous demands in the Next CBA.
THATS HOW YOU WAGE A LONG TERM STRIKE!
I'm skipp passing Statesman, no beef just veggies but don't compare my disgust with the New NBA and the PFC's with that of KD. I've paid my do's at this blog and have done what I could to keep the camaraderie going. You can't blame me for disliking the hose job that the Nuggets and Nets are pulling on the Knicks. I say if any thing more is requested and demanded by the Nuggets, the Knicks seriously should just walk away!
OBTW "Live Long and Prospet!"
@Statesman States you are buying Stern and management's threat regarding a new CBA, assuming that it will automatically restrict team cap space considerably and reduce max salaries. A lockout hurts management as much as it does players. Season ticket holders may demand a refund and concessionaires will be hurt as well. The NBA Players Association is not a weak union and its members can afford a lockout or strike if necessary. NBA consolidation may also alter the cap space playing field. In short, Melo's talent will indeed be a coveted commodity under a new CBA and there are many creative ways to enhance a "coveted" player's wealth over a winning (not a losing) career.
@Steady @Statesman Steady: I think Marcus Camby was also included in that dfeal for McDyss--one of the worst Knick trades in history.
BTW: What do the Knicks get back if they include Mozgov in the deal with Denver--who would get 2 of N J's draft choices, + 1 from the Knicks and Nets get Mozgov + either Danilo, Chandler or Felton. Do the Nets put up Lopez or will Denver offer Favors? Not likely. Would the Nets put up 1 or 2 of its other draft choices (which it offered Denver) to a 4th team to provide the Kniicks compensation for Mozgov--a legitimate center/power forward who can rebound and block shots. If so -- maybe all teams can be happy.
@Statesman The Mikhail Prok and Jay-Z have bought into the PSF trend hook, line and stinker Statesman--ye of the Force MDs...
This from the CAA mouthpiece at BSPN via RealGM--
New Jersey could send two first round picks to Denver for Timofey Mozgov and either Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler or Raymond Felton, if a deal where Carmelo Anthony to the Knicks is brokered.
Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/211188/Nets_Nuggets_Discuss_Trade_Involving_Knicks_Players#ixzz1EcWB6l8j
New Jersey could send two first round picks to Denver for Timofey Mozgov and either Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler or Raymond Felton, if a deal where Carmelo Anthony to the Knicks is brokered.
In such a scenario, the PSFs with mancrushes on Will and Gallo will move their fandom to Brooklyn in two years to watch the former Knickerbockers. Ray Felton spells Devin Harris who regressed. Denver becomes a pass-through while Billy and Zeke work it out for their respective Billionare Boss. The Script is become a bit more scripted.
With all due respect to septagenarians and AARP members since they do play a critical role in maitaining our cultures/society, there's something to be said about those who insist for Dolan to retain Walsh. Did you all see the footage at half-time as the players walked back to the lockerroom with a clearly less than spry Walsh pushing a Walker? The deals in pro-sports today is not about being poker-faced because clearly Walsh was fleeced by Morey of the Houston Rockets. IT is about being fleet of foot and being able to connect with these youths on an emotional/psychosocial level. The Rat still knows how to do IT. Jerry Sloan chose not to do IT so he walked.
The NYK made a draft day trade many moons ago sending a young unknown Brazilian with major upsides named Nene Hillario for a walking dunk master Antonio McDyess. He may have played 30 games at the Mecca. NYK was never made whole from that deal. Teams get fleeced all the time and "the Art of the Deal" is being more willing to do without the item pursued then it is about getting what you want. Now with this Nots hand revealed, the "Poker Players" may just figure out how to bring this Melo-Drama to its merciful end.
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