Let me say that I'm officially tired of the Melodrama. This stuff has cut into my beauty sleep. LOL!
In the recent hours, "twitter news" has come out from Newsday's Alan Hahn that the Nuggets have indeed upped the ante and asked for more:
"Source says if Knicks decline to include Mozgov in the package, Anthony will be traded to the Nets."
That tweet was followed by the next bit from Hahn on twitter:
"Re: Carmelo going to Nets if Knicks don't include Mozgov, Carmelo still would have to sign off on extension. Sources still say he won't."
Later today, Chris Broussard, tweeted the following:
"Sources say Den has not given NYK ultimatum that if Mozgov's not in deal, they'll trade him to NJ."
Before I leave it to Knicksfandom to ponder further, I'll just say the following.
Back away Knicks! Back away! If the Nuggets continue to push for more and you blink, they'll ask for more. Who next? Fields? Another draft pick? That's why it's ultimately vital to not just draw a line but to also toe that line and not back down.
Some radio personalities will cry with desperation that everything and the kitchen sink should be surrendered to placate a warlike Nuggets management team (assuming the tweets are true from Hahn). No cost is too high, no sacrifice to great. Melo and STAT and a couple of water boys and towel boys will carry the Knicks to a Championship because Stars win games in the NBA. But It's not only stars! It's defense, team chemistry, a good bench, complimentary players and reserves which constitute the supporting casts that helps balance and fortify a team. The warped AAU mega alliance mentality created in the world Post Lebron James decision has completly skewed that vision. Now not even a home grown team is good enough. Even a legitimately fair offer (and slight overpay), by any standards, for Carmelo Anthony's services is insufficient.
Here is the problem with the stakes at play in surrendering the barn for Carmelo. it leaves you not only without a balance of a supporting cast (reserves and roles players) in a potentially cap squeezed next Collectively Bargained NBA, it also locks the Knicks into a position where the assets needed to add a Deron Williams or Chris Paul are no longer there. Why? Because they would have all been surrendered to placate Denver's onerous trade demands leaving the Knicks cupboard devoid of assets to swing trades to complete a Knicks triumvirate down the road.
Actually with the next NBA season having a clarified salary cap and Collective Bargaining Agreement in place, it may now be in the Knicks best interest to consider plans B. C. D etc. That includes backing out with the Nuggets current "ante up more or else" posture.
I say this because if you have all these assets to pitch at a combo of either Dwight Howard and Paul or Williams you may get the 2 other pieces of a big 3 in a less complicated or convoluted context. Currently the fear of the new CBA is the only leverage the Nuggets have. Neither, New Orleans, Utah, or Orlando will have that leverage next season. With a CBA that is resolved, the Knicks management team may find themselves in better position to pawn their assets and preserved draft picks to build their own big three over next season.
The Knicks have made the fair yet slightly excessive bid for Anthony. Their owner has met face to face with Anthony to show him they are seriously interested in his Star and services and willing to make a sacrifice to add him to their team. But the Knicks need to hold firm in their stand that the resolution of this matter should now rest with the Nuggets. The Knicks should not back off the lines they've drawn to yet again be guided by the knee jerk ghosts of Knicks desperation. With a clearer picture of a new bargaining structure at play next year, a full roster of rising wings, reserves and a point guard on the roster and draft picks to save up for the next season, the Knicks should strongly consider the possibilities of other options in a clearer NBA landscape come next season. To pay too much now may leave them with little on the table to acquire the third piece of a triumvirate or even round out a star duo of Anthony and Stoudemire.
This is what the Knicks need to consider when they draw their line in the Sand!
Prokhorov is brilliant. Wink, wink, "fantastic" meeting with Melo suckered Dolan into coughing up his entire team. What a poker move. The Nets now have the spot light all to themselves in the big apple to land the next big free agent players.
The Knicks should have done the in sept or oct. Now they are barely over .500 and it's going to take a while to gel. I still hoping for the best and will continue to be a fan.
Now Dolan, please extend Walsh and let him get back to work to get us back a decent big man back. He already fixed your mess up once, I know he can do it again.
with ecity gone now, who's our worst contract?
Chauncey's til 2012? that's not bad.
Call up Ewing Jr, sign Barron and find a rugged two guard like James Harden. Is it true we also get Corey Brewer? Big dude right there, could be a guy ready to hit his peak with the RnG D'Ant-O-ni show.
Where urrbody at? I wanna chat. lol
WHAT A TRAVESTY...
way too much for Melo. Chauncey's on rental til CP3 I guess? I hope they make the playoffs this season after all this hoopla.
Zeke always gets his man. I suppose, when you have an eye for talent, you don't mind giving up some to net a superstar. shaking my head...
And to all you Wilson and Gallo fans out there...let this be a lesson to all y'all.
NBA: Where "it's a business" happens lol
It's bedtime, but I'm getting ready to stay up for a long night. Now this has got me excited, only because that other shyte was going no-where. I do not like this trade as a faux-GM, but as a Knicks fan, this is really exciting. Anything can happen now. The Knicks are relevant in an irrelevant sort of way.
Are the Knicks as smart as the Celtics and Heat. Can they actually build around Amare and Melo by October 2011?
Here comes Earl Barron.
You know D'Antoni is pissed! He was duped. He bought the first two years of "screw me." but he wasn't figuring on two more, was he.
D'Antoni knows that Carmelo is not ready to play for another offensive minded coaching-staff. He's ready to play offense, but he is going to want someone around him to play defense.
Where is everybody who was chatting this up? LOL. Now the speculation is over; I'm ready to talk. No more OTP, at least while this trade gets milked to death. This is hilarious.
I'm going to see if I can find some Isiah Thomas quotes.
Or did Walsh convert Zach Randolph and Jamal Crawford into Carmelo Anthony and Mr. Big Shot? Such fertile ground.
O&B, it's a shame if you quit being a Knicks fan. Your writing has started to earn you quite a rep. Are you really going to dump that now instead of building it up.
Who does D'Antoni play against the Cavs?
Amare Stoudemire F
Carmelo Anthony F
Chauncey Billups G
Landry Fields G
Rony Turiaf C
Isiah Thomas is turning over in his media-inspired grave. If you look closely he is now sitting up. WOOOOOOW!!!!!!
Ha Ha Ha. ROFLMAO. Peaceman was right. Dolan trades entire starting five for Carmelo Anthony. Stunning.
What did I tell you about New Jersey jacking up the price?
After denying he had any plans to meet with Anthony, Prokhorov told CNBC on Sunday that the two had a “fantastic” meeting. A source with knowledge of the meeting, however, told Yahoo! Sports that Anthony didn’t give the Nets any reason to feel confident about their chances to convince him to commit to the extension.
“I think we made a very good tactical decision to force [the] Knicks to pay as much as they can,” Prokhorov said.
Seeing the Knicks get played like this is upsetting. Prokhorov is dominating the discussion.
Steady now Bloggas! Steady as IT goes. If there's a deal, the deal will be done. If there's no deal for wahtever the reason, there's no deal. Clearly the known human flaw attributed to Carmelo (and which has long been known) is being piqued here. At one level, the unfurling cloak of Hypocrates on the blogs and by the MSM would have Carmelo accept the prospect of losing $40 million by OPTing out and going to FA status in an uncertain CBA climate. Would you? Blogga PuhhhhLeaaaazzzzze. At a whole nother level, Bloggas in these here parts remember the Marsh-Melo who threw a weak jab at Mecca and then ran to the other end of the court. That is the human frailty being displayed here. If the Melo-Drama will have the same ending as LBJ and La decision to NYK is foregone and truly desired then Carmelo should follow his heart and let the chips fall where they may. IT is easier said then done but there are 3 days left to see which one of the human qualities will prevail in this Melo-Drama--the need and what covetous types wrongly call greed; or indecision based on a fear to either fight or (in this case) flee leaving the Nugs sucking salTys. Either side will be able to rationalize what ultimately happens at 3:01 ET Thursday. One side has already begun the face saving spin: USA 1, Russia 0. When you can't be with the ones you love, love the ones you're with. Otherwise, you too will have been hoodwinked into more Melo-flaw as espoused in the Tenth Commandment: Thou shall not COVET the Nuggets' Manservant. Look IT up.
H20 DOC IT 12
Adding Mozgov to the already super-generous offer is absurd. Knicks will then be giving Chandler, Gallo, Felton, Randollph, Mozgov + E. Curry's contract and a No 1 draft choice to Denver in return for Melo + Billups and 2 bench riders--gone after the season. Where is the depth and rebounding to come from? Moving Mozzy puts more pressure on Stat to play more minutes--while Romy Turiaf's injury prone career makes his contribution problematical and often day by day. With Randolph also gone in the deal, there is no other back-up center available on the team--nor are there assets left to find one this year or in July. Recall that the Knicks have no No 1 draft choice until 2014.
The only reason the Knicks have offered as much as they have is because Anthony is scared that he will lose up to $40 million (probably a highly inflated number) in a new CBA and thus reduction/limitation on max salary affecting team salary caps. Thus, the fear is that he will be forced to (1) agree to sign an extension in Denver--which by the way does not want him any more because of the team disruption he has caused or (2) accept a trade and extension with New Jersey. If that is the case, Melo may be rich, but never attain a championship ring in his lifetime,
As a number of us have said, the ball is essentially in Melo's court. If he can hold firm and reject an extension with Denver and an extension with New Jersey, he can force a trade to New York at a more reasonable cost to the Knicks. He can then get the extension, and perhaps more, from the Knicks as well as the
Once again, I believe that Melo's fears need to be minimized by a more realistic perspective. The teams (including the owners) who have attained finanicial success and want to compete with the elite will not want too much restriction on cap space. NBA consolidation will also serve to benefit the cap space issue. Marginal players will lose their jobs, but good players will find homes in other cities--who will need to increase not decrease their salary caps. Melo, moreover, will make more from association with a winning Knick franchise than he could in either Denver or New Jersey/Brooklyn. There is no limit to what Melo could make in marketing his own products, product endorsements and appearances. And if Stern is serious about NBA expansion, then New York is the place to launch an international Melo sale of products (see Marbury in China) as well as exhibition and/or even league play in London, Paris and Madrid.
As a number of us have said, the ball is in Melo's court.. If he can hold firm, and call Denver's bluff, he can (1) reject an extension with the Nuggets (who I believe no longer really wants him) (2) reject an extension with New Jersey, and (3) can likely force a trade to the Knicks.
I believe that Denver is bluffing and is acting in bad faith with both Melo and the Knicks. If Denver decides to keep him without a signed extension (bad idea) or trade him for little or nothing to a team willing to take him without an extension--where he will be disgrutled, then so be it. Melo only has to endure the experience until July 1st, when he can join the Knicks, who will be in a better position to surround him and Amare with greater talent.
New Jerseys Russian owner's conduct in this matter is equally despicable. He knows that Melo is not interested in playing for his team, yet he plays on Melo's insecurity regarding the salary cap to force him to accept an extension with the Nets--minus Harris, Favors and 4 No. 1 draft choices. So much for a championship in Melo's future. Melo should say NYET to the Nets in no uncertain terms. Prokhorov is doing this solely to drive up the price for the Knicks so that one day a Brooklyn Nets/NY Knicks rivalry will put fans in his arena. New Jersey and Brooklyn residents who are Knick fans should remember this insidious, treacherous act and boycott all Net games, --especially the games when the Knicks visit. .
Dolan, Walsh and Co. should not waiver in their stance on a Melo trade. Adding Mozgov along with what is already on the table is suicidal. If no deal is struck today or by 12:00 noon tomorrow, the Knicks should wak away and seek to strenghthen the team by trading or buying out E-Curry's contract and attaining either a solid rebounder/defender or a back up point guard. LGK
If what is being reported by the Denver Post is true, then the Knicks are the worst poker players in the world. Time for me to reevaluate my priorities. I'm seriously considering not coming back. I'm tired of the management team in this franchise. They are getting fleeced!
We'll off course know in a few days. Yeah Peaceman can and the Steven A. Smith's of the world can be all happy and gleeful but I can't root for weak in the knees ownership and a cursed franchise any longer.
@Steady No beef with Melo's human frailty of wanting to secure his cheddar. I never commented critically against it. Actually I noted it as Melo blinking and as such, the Knicks needing to make the firm but fair offer.
Whatever happens happens. I know you have to give to get BUT why is "IT" with the Knicks they always give way more? That's something that can no longer be denied. You can set your watch by the organizations weak in the knees character.
@Post_up_Prince That was a Penthouse worthy Read Prince.
Time to shine some light on that excellent thread!
@Post_up_Prince Blog on Prince.
It's time to do what Steady do. Stop coveting and love the ones we got. The line has to be held. If not the Knicks lose more and more respect, maybe even all of it.
@Lives Knicks Management is a fucking joke! Their the weakest most desperate pliable gullible, covetous group of stiff ever. Walsh, Zeke, Dola, Layden from 1999 on it's always been some bufoon or another. I'm not defending Zeke anymore none of them. They are all clowns. every last one of them!
@Orange_and_Blue Dont' you think that is a little "MELO-DRAMATIC?" LOL